zydeholic
I have about 1200 songs that I tagged in VDJ, in their WAV version. These take up too much room and I'd like to convert them to 320kbps, WITHOUT LOSING THE TAGS.
Is this possible in VDJ? Not the conversion part, but having it recognize the file and apply tags automatically?
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Is this possible in VDJ? Not the conversion part, but having it recognize the file and apply tags automatically?
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Mensajes Mon 01 Jan 18 @ 7:55 pm
groovindj
There are two questions here.
The first is - how does VDJ store metadata in WAVs? There's more than one way, and no real standard.
Second - is there any tagging software that can read the data back from where VDJ has stored it?
[edit] I can confirm that Tag&Rename doesn't read the data from a WAV tagged in VDJ. T&R expects to find the data in WAVs here - "ID3v2.3 tag in 'id3 ' RIFF chunk and LIST INFO chunk" so VDJ must be storing it elsewhere.
The first is - how does VDJ store metadata in WAVs? There's more than one way, and no real standard.
Second - is there any tagging software that can read the data back from where VDJ has stored it?
[edit] I can confirm that Tag&Rename doesn't read the data from a WAV tagged in VDJ. T&R expects to find the data in WAVs here - "ID3v2.3 tag in 'id3 ' RIFF chunk and LIST INFO chunk" so VDJ must be storing it elsewhere.
Mensajes Mon 01 Jan 18 @ 8:35 pm
kradcliffe
I didn't think WAV had the capability to store tags. All the info will probably be in the VDJ database rather than the file itself so if you convert to MP3 I doubt you would be able to carry that information over as the conversion creates a new file.
Mensajes Mon 01 Jan 18 @ 8:44 pm
groovindj
Yes WAVs can store metadata (see here) - there just isn't a standard 'set in stone' way that's widely accepted. There's a pro format called Broadcast Wave (BWF) but I doubt yer average DJ software will read it/them.
Zydeholic would've had to enable the writing of the data to the files from within VDJ for it to be there, but it can always be written (copied) to them from the VDJ database if not.
Zydeholic would've had to enable the writing of the data to the files from within VDJ for it to be there, but it can always be written (copied) to them from the VDJ database if not.
Mensajes Mon 01 Jan 18 @ 8:49 pm
zydeholic
So, you're saying I can write the data from the database to the WAV files, then convert those to MP3, preserving the data?
Mensajes Tue 02 Jan 18 @ 1:11 am
groovindj
In theory yes - but the conversion software would need to be able to read the tags from wherever VDJ stores them.
We really need a comment from Adion or one of the VDJ tech staff to say exactly where VDJ puts the tag info when writing to a WAV.
We really need a comment from Adion or one of the VDJ tech staff to say exactly where VDJ puts the tag info when writing to a WAV.
Mensajes Tue 02 Jan 18 @ 6:56 pm
Adion
The acid tag is used to store bpm info.
Artist, Title, Comment and Genre are stored in the INFO tag.
If an id3 tag is already present in the wav file, vdj will update it, but currently it will not add an id3 tag if it was not present already.
The best way to make sure you don't lose any information, including cue points, bpm phase and other information vdj stores is to update database.xml
If you convert your wav's from track.wav to track.mp3, you could use a text editor to do a search & replace in database.xml and replace ".wav" with ".mp3"
Artist, Title, Comment and Genre are stored in the INFO tag.
If an id3 tag is already present in the wav file, vdj will update it, but currently it will not add an id3 tag if it was not present already.
The best way to make sure you don't lose any information, including cue points, bpm phase and other information vdj stores is to update database.xml
If you convert your wav's from track.wav to track.mp3, you could use a text editor to do a search & replace in database.xml and replace ".wav" with ".mp3"
Mensajes Tue 02 Jan 18 @ 7:10 pm
groovindj
Adion wrote :
Artist, Title, Comment and Genre are stored in the INFO tag.
Thanks.
So when Tag& Rename refers to "LIST INFO chunk" that's not the INFO tag? Because I got nothing from T&R when I loaded a WAV that I tagged in VDJ.
Do you know a tag editor than can read the VDJ data from WAVs?
Mensajes Tue 02 Jan 18 @ 7:16 pm
Adion
It should indeed be the LIST INFO chunk. Not sure why T&R didn't read it.
Mensajes Tue 02 Jan 18 @ 7:24 pm
groovindj
I'll have another go later. I'll also check if Adobe Audition can read it.
Mensajes Tue 02 Jan 18 @ 7:50 pm
groovindj
I just tried opening the WAV in Adobe Audition and cannot see any metadata from VDJ (Audition has a comprehensive choice too).
Mensajes Wed 03 Jan 18 @ 7:22 pm
kradcliffe
Adion says VDJ does not create the WAV tag, so unless it was there already which is unlikely then there will be nothing, so all entries are VDJ DB only by the looks of it.
Mensajes Wed 03 Jan 18 @ 7:57 pm
groovindj
Eh? He said it's stored in the INFO tag (see above).
Mensajes Wed 03 Jan 18 @ 8:00 pm
kradcliffe
Adion wrote :
If an id3 tag is already present in the wav file, vdj will update it, but currently it will not add an id3 tag if it was not present already
Mensajes Wed 03 Jan 18 @ 8:30 pm
groovindj
INFO tag (chunk) - another way of storing metadata, that's not an ID3 tag.
http://www.robotplanet.dk/audio/wav_meta_data/
In other words, an ID3 tag is not the only way of storing metadata in a file. Just because VDJ won't/can't write a new ID3 tag, doesn't mean it's not storing anything.
http://www.robotplanet.dk/audio/wav_meta_data/
In other words, an ID3 tag is not the only way of storing metadata in a file. Just because VDJ won't/can't write a new ID3 tag, doesn't mean it's not storing anything.
Mensajes Wed 03 Jan 18 @ 9:07 pm