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jchiar wrote :
charsowbc wrote :
Hello jchiar & everyone else,

Getting back to the original question, I have used the Virtual DJ 3.4 (demo) on a MacBook Pro (2ghz with 1gb ram and 256mb video ram). Everything works fine except for video output. Its not a VDJ issue but a Mac (steve jobs) issue. I am using the Apple's mini-DVI to S-video adapter, and although it works fine on OS X, for some 'odd' reason it doesn't work in Windows..... probably they same 'odd' reason why the webcam, keyboard light, fan control, speaker/headphone control, power mgmt, and other functions don't work.

So you can use VDJ for audio mixing (with output from BOTH speakers and line-out) but not for video mixing.

BTW, will there be a demo version for VDJ 4.0 for the mac? I really need the video output to work if I am going to purchase the software.




This sucks to hear. Hopefully Conquest can figure out why the videos wont play out the Svideo adapter.

Conquest, check on this since you seem to have much Mac knowledge.


I'll have to look into the vdeo issue over the weekend jchiar, but the only thing I can think of is that it has to do with the fact that regardless of how stable Apple's Boot Camp software is, it's still only BETA software and all of the functions are not yet supported, like the webcam and other stuff. The finalized version of Boot Camp [whatever the REAL name is gonna be] that ships with Mac OS X 10.5 "Leopard" [if they keep that name as well] will undoubtedly enable all features and hardware.

This may be addressed by Apple in an update to this BETA of Boot Camp, but I think that we'll probably be able to do the video stuff in the Mac version of VDJ 4 long before we see it supported in BETA Boot Camp. There is NO WAY Numark would NOT demand enabling this feature on the Mac version, seeing as how a MAJOR company like that already knows that not having a Mac version of Virtual Vinyl would be instant suicide in the professional digital dj market where EVERYONE else [SSL, Final Scratch, etc] knows that not having a Mac version is NOT an option.

Yeah, the Mac community is sooo insignificant that a major company like Numark knows that they HAVE to have a Mac version. =P

I can't imagine why though... oh wait, the VERY visible and profitable pc to Mac SWITCHER movement that just keeps gaining momentum exponentially, THAT'S WHY. ;)

400,000 Windows users switch to Mac / Half a million switchers predicted / Significant Mac unit sales expected
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=12117

You know what you don't see? Mac users switching to windows by the hundreds of thousands, or even by the "tens".

It's sooo unheard of that microsoft had to hire one of it's own publicists to PRETEND to be a "Mac user who had switched to a windows pc":

FALSE TESTIMONIALS
http://jogin.com/weblog/archives/2002/10/15/false_testimonials

From that webpage:
"Futhermore, a Slashdot reader found that the pictured switcher is in fact a stock photo model. Since then, the author of the story has been identified as Valerie G. Mallinson, a PR-writer hired by Microsoft."

jchiar wrote :
Also, I looking to make the SWITCH as we speak but want to make sure i pick out the right hardware. And it must be able to do video on VDJ.

Believe me, i want to make the SWITCH very badly.

PLease please release VDJ for the MAC asap !!! I want my MAC


Hehehe. =)

I know, me and thousands of other employees like myself have been hearing the cries for help from millions of fed up windows users for years now.

Just remember, Boot Camp is BETA. So like I said, I'll look into it this weekend but I think that our best option is going to be to wait for the Mac version of VDJ 4, not only because the video feature should be enabled in it, but PRIMARILY because we won't have to use windows.
 
Mensajes Fri 07 Jul 06 @ 7:33 am
jchiar wrote :
I found the post discussion the lack of Svideo support and the reason why it doesnt work in XP

http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=2465909



Just saw this. I still think that it has to do with the fact that Boot Camp is BETA software. I'm sure that video output through XP is NOT Apple's top priority in this development.
 
Mensajes Fri 07 Jul 06 @ 7:56 am
charsowbc wrote :
BTW, will there be a demo version for VDJ 4.0 for the mac? I really need the video output to work if I am going to purchase the software.

And to add fuel to the fire...... Macs suck!


STFU and buy the software, loser. ;)

=P
 
Mensajes Fri 07 Jul 06 @ 11:22 am
discobobsie wrote :
What i would like to know is how many of the vip users aka beta testers have a mac !
And how is the mac beta testing coming along ?


HEY!!!

Is that how I can get my hands on the Mac beta?!!! By upgrading to VDJ Pro?
 
Mensajes Fri 07 Jul 06 @ 11:27 am
Andrew87 wrote :
If conquest and his mac are so much more productive and intelligent than us winblows users, why did it take four pages to get an answer, and even then it was the originater of this thread that got that answer.

In the 8,288 words you've posted in this thread, not including quoting other people, but including quoting yourself, what is that all about... what have you acheived?





Wow. How many ctrl-alt-del's and End Tasks did you go through before your peecee came up with that calculation?

Did you send your error report to microsoft like a good little lemming?

Actually I did answer the question about "how does it work on a MacBook" in my first post. However I cannot answer any questions about the video because I have not tried it yet, and I posted that fact already.


 
Mensajes Fri 07 Jul 06 @ 11:57 am
jchiarPRO InfinityMember since 2005
@ conquest- thansk for you help with this, pm or email me your contact info. i have some other mac questions for ya!
 
Mensajes Fri 07 Jul 06 @ 12:34 pm
dj-in-norway wrote :
@ConQuest

Just to clearify why I think you fail a bit on your arguments:

To give you some insight on how PC users feel about Mac users saying "they are better" etc, read this:

I Don't Hate Macs, I Just Hate Mac Users
http://www.basement.org/archives/2006/01/i_dont_hate_macs_i_just_hate_m.html

Just a friendly advice ;) A lot of PC users get provoced by how "new born" mac users are;) hehe


Interesting read. I agree with him. Remember, I am NOT bashing modders/upgraders/gamers or people that actually like to maintain windows computers.

I am fully aware that there are extremist Mac users who think that anything "non-Apple" is inferior. I am NOT one of those people. I am looking forward to the release of the Mac Pro's within the next month, so that I can finally modify my Mac beyond the ram and the hard drive, and maybe throw in a CrossFire or dual/quad SLI set up in it.

In one of my posts in this same thread, I even said that there are a LOT more, and BETTER options than the stock equipment that Apple uses in it's Macs. There's also a LOT WORSE bargain bin junk. Apple's just a "happy medium" stock hardware wise [that may change very soon], but Mac OS is the star of the show.

The whole "Macs are better" debate often gets confusing for people, because a Mac user like myself is mostly talking about the OS. And even if I make that clear, the windows users defense of their windows computer often turns hardware related. The only times it doesn't is when windows users say that they're not having OS problems, and as I've said before, good for them [like yourself Norway]. Unfortunately, people not having issues with windows is a HUGE minority.


And also read this part, that points out some valid points about what Mac lacks for most PC users:
Why I hate Mac OSX
http://www.glaven.org/archives/2005/03/why_i_hate_mac_1.html

THIS GUY IS A MORON... also the type of guy that I put to shame daily and even end up switching in the face of their own ignorance.

1. No multi-button mouse : For crap's sake, Steve Jobs, allow people to buy a two buttoned mouse. As far as I know, MacOSX is the only current hardware vendor not to include a two or three button mouse.

As a testament to the fact that this guy is a moron, MACOSX is NOT a hardware vendor. It's an operating system developed by Apple Computer, the hardware vendor.

iMacs have come with the 2 button + Scroll Ball "Mighty Mouse" since last year.
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/1204000/wo/g93C2ud7ssN92wekFPS1El5T3sv/1.0.19.1.0.8.25.7.11.0.3

2a. Smug Mac Users : Honestly, the worst part about Mac OSX. Every Mac user can't help be evangelize about Mac OSX.

I'm always explaining to my switchers that it's not so much evangelism, or even fanaticism, it's just the excitement [especially from recent switchers] of FINALLY using a computer for everything from the easiest to the most difficult tasks, and being able to finish them without the OS taking a dive half way through. MANY times, I'm speaking to someone who is inquiring about switching, when all of a sudden a recent switcher who has overheard the conversation jumps in to re-affirm what I am saying and ends up talking about their switch experience. That's VERY common, and while it's hilarious to anybody else who sees or hears this happening, and intriguing to the potential switcher, it's sometimes embarassing for me because I have to apologize for the over zealousness of the newcomer [once they've left the conversation] and explain that that person was NOT a co-worker and that that scenario had NOT been planned out.

Bottom line, is simply that we know something that someone that hasn't switched yet doesn't, and we KNOW that more often than not, they will become one of those same over zealous people. Don't blame me or us, it's a strange, but COMMON phenomenom. It's the whole "I never new that using a computer could be so easy AND fun. I should have switched sooner instead of wasting all that time on windows pc's." Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just telling it like it is.

2b. Anything that happens on your PC or laptop that isn't Mac is purely because you're not using Macintosh.

More often than not, that is EXACTLY the case. windows users don't like to be told it, much less do they want to accept it because they usually don't know that they've just been told the truth. It's not a Mac users fault that a windows user just doesn't "get it", usually because they haven't used a Mac.

It's like I always say, "I'm not responsible for other peoples' lack of foresight, much less, their ignorance".

2c. "You wouldn't have those problems if you paid $800 too much for your laptop!"

Yes, we can be seen as smug, but in mine and many cases, proud and knowledgeable Mac users is more appropriate for those of us who know windows as well as we know Mac. It's like I always say, "If you know fire burns, you don't stick your hand in it. So if you know windows crap out on you, you don't use it." I let my switchers tell me about the many different ways that windows blows for them. Then I tell them why that happens on windows pc's and why it doesn't on Macs. It's as simple as that. The whole Mac's are more expensive argument has been disproven for years now. A comparably equipped pc ALWAYS costs more than a Mac. The stock "iLife" suite [iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie, IDVD, iWeb, GarageBand], along with iChat and PhotoBooth to take advantage of the built in webcam on EVERY Intel Mac [except the Mac mini], and MUCH more, has been proven to be well worth over $500 in "comparable" separately purchased windows applications. And they all suck in comparison because they're all made by different developers, they don't look feel or act the same because of this, nor do they seamlessly integrate with eachother, which means the end user has to take the time out [that they don't have] to learn all of those "comparable" applications individually and THEN try and get them to work with eachother. I used to demo all of the iLife apps for switchers. Now I just demo iMovie and it's a done deal! The $800 estimate is actually 1 or 200 dollars at most, but usually nothing t all. Even if a Mac was slightly more expensive, users are now MORE than willing to pay for a Mac that will last them 2-3x longer and work reliably the entire time and comes with all of these high quality, but user friendly applications.

I just Googled Mac vs windows bundle for the heck of it. You can do similar searches and get a lot of articles all saying pretty much the same things like this [usually from recent switchers]:

http://www.familyresource.com/lifestyles/technology/buying-a-home-computer-mac-vs-windows

"Now to the important issue, cost! Windows and Mac computers are now almost equal in cost. Whereas you can buy a Windows based PC for less than $500, you will not get the multimedia hardware and software that you will want and need. In fact, to do so would cost equal or more to the cost of a Mac. You would also end up spending more than you would on a Mac just to get software that could come close to doing what iLife does (which comes bundled free with all new Macs)... you should know that I've used Windows for 11 years. In fact, I've taught Windows classes, I've run Windows servers, and I used to be a Windows advocate. All of this changed when OS X came out. I have never been more thrilled and pleased with a computer than I have with OS X. I used to loath using my Windows based PCs (even Windows XP), but now I thoroughly enjoy not only using OS X, but also using its software, like iLife. I would never go back Windows, and I doubt you will either if and when you give Mac a try."

But wait, don't forget to factor in all of the REQUIRED malware protection and system utility software for that windows computer. How much more does a Mac cost again? Nothing. How much longer can I expect to keep it without having to constantly maintain it? Ring it up!

It's the SAME story, more and more often, day after day, to the point that I just want to videotape one of my switcher interactions and just play it back for the next switcher that comes along. It's REALLY that easy to switch windows users now, it's almost just getting boring.


3. Keynote : Yes, Keynote is enough to warrant it's own bulletpoint. Somehow, Keynote is a zillion times better than PowerPoint. C'mon. The whole 'presentation software' thing is dead. I mocked it in class years ago. Somehow, though, Keynote is better. "Holy Cow! It's a rotating cube effect instead of a swirling effect! I'm totally amazed!". Ties in tightly with #2.

After iMovie, Keynote is the 2nd most popular reason [application wise] that windows users switch to Mac. The whole "PowerPoint" presentation software thing is dead. Keynote is killing it. Now that Al Gore put out that "An Inconvenient Truth" movie about global warming which was made entirely in Keynote, the amount of inquiries about this Mac only software is ridiculous. So are the amount of switchers who switch because of it.

An Inconvenient Truth
http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount_classics/aninconvenienttruth/trailer/

4. GUI : That's right, I don't really like the OSX gui. I'm a minimalist when it comes to Desktop Environments. Heck, I like window managers. KDE and Gnome (in linux) are too heavy, and try to do too much for me. I like sleek, minimal GUIs that don't get in my way with needless titlebars, spinning beach balls, and effects that, let's face it, are for people listed in #2, #3, and people who get distracted by shiny things on the sidewalk.

Yeah, xp's childish clown color scheme is great, and he sure is gonna love vista's "aero", which is just wannabe Mac OS X "aqua" which we've had since 2001.

Heck, he can keep his window managers. He's in the insignificant minority.

5. Bastardized UNIX : Yep, OSX is based on UNIX, but it's hard to tell what. What's this, the Korn Shell? Where's my package system? There the *heck* are things located? Is this system V or something? Can I do *anything* here? Oh sweet, I see I can still exhaust my memory...

I'm surprised this guy can even spell Unix, considering it's painfully obvious that he knows nothing about it. He better get a pen out to learn where the *heck* things are located:
1. Double click hard drive icon.
2. Select the "Applications" folder [same thing as the Program Files folder in windows]

Why am I wasting my time even reading this moron's stuff again? Oh yeah, 'cause I don't want you to sound moronic by repeating anything this guy says or thinks, Norway.

Exhaust memory? Try stopping the background processes in windows, genius. THAT is inefficient and unnecessary stuff.

6. Tinkerability : Yes, I'm going to harp on this, too. It still seems as if there's no way to upgrade a Macintosh. And while the Apples-to-Oranges comparison to "CPU cycles at every cost" Intel based systems to the "It must be expensive!" PowerPC CPU, I can't drop a new motherboard and cpu into a Macintosh for 200 bucks. I deal with a slow Mac until I've managed to sell enough organs and blood to afford a new one.

Wow. I didn't know that the All In One iMac and ALL notebooks have limited upgradeability. This guy is a keen observer. =P

All I gotta say is Mac Pro, August 7th or earlier. No, Apple will not sell their superior quality controlled Macs at FrankenDesigned windows box prices, any sooner than Mercedes Benz will start lowering itself to compete with Kia. They [Apple/Mercedes] could if they wanted to, but they don't want to because they don't have to.

I don't think this guy will ever be able to afford any computer... unless "moron specimen" testing starts paying well.

7. Pick a size : Teeny tiny, or friggin' huge : OK, so Macintosh came out with a Mac Mini. So you have coaster size, or Dorm Fridge size with the G5. I'm growing weary of my PC tower, but I still like having say, TWO hard drives, or TWO video cards, or TWO sticks of RAM in my machine. I like things in twos, I guess, and I can either have things in singles (mac mini) or store shetland midgets. Maybe even normal midgets.

Mac mini sales are absolutely SLAUGHTERING Media Center PC sales. PERIOD. As for ugradeability? Again, Mac Pro [and maybe a smaller weapon added to Apple's arsenal], August 7th or sooner.

8. Price : Still pricey. The hardware is far, far more scarce than PC hardware, and while that gives them more 'quality control', it still also gives them more control over you - because they have you by the short and curlies.

Quality control = Reliability = Productivity. Mac users spend way more time doing things they want to do, while windows users waste way too much time fixing things that they HAVE to fix, that shouldn't have broken to begin with.

Again, a typical switchers perpective on the conversion from pc to Mac:

"Winn Schwartau, one of the country's leading experts on information security, infrastructure protection and electronic privacy, summed up his first month's experiences in his conversion from Windows to Mac:

"...Do I really want all of that paranoia to go away? [referring to windows' insecurity] Do I really want to spend more time enjoying whatever the hell I do on my 'puter [using a Mac], or maybe I should continue wasting hours every week on security crap that shouldn't be a problem in the first place?" [using windows].

9. 64 bit my aunt Fanny : OK. 64 bit hardware + patched OS != 64 bit system. To bring it down for you: a 454 engine with a 1 barrel, super-cheap carburator (assuming we're in the 70's) gives me an engine that can't perform. Guess what?! Addressing more RAM gives you more RAM, but it doesn't give you true 64 bit. Besides, I'm pretty sure DEC, SGI, and Sun had 64 bit workstations years before you, Apple. AND they had true 64-bit Operating Systems. Sorry, jerkwads.

What a dumba$$. How many home users have DEC, SGI, and Sun systems set up in their homes. And how much do they cost? Thought so, jackoff.

Mac OS has been able to do 64 bit AND 32 bit addressing since Mac OS X Tiger. Yes it's a hybrid, and it will continue to be able to do both when 10.5 Leopard comes out, before 64-bit vista. It'll probably still be 32/64 bit then as well. It's called support for legacy systems, and is the same reason that you can load windows '98 on a brand new computer today.

We don't need a full 64-bit OS yet because a) we don't want to prevent all of the G4 owners from being able to use the new Mac OS features [this will probably change in 2007 though], and b) intel is just now releasing it's 64-bit processors... Core 2 "Woodcrest" server class last week, "Conroe" desktop class on the 27th of this month, "Merom" mobile class in August/September.

I'll finish the rest of this later, Norway, and next time try to give me some arguments that are a little more relevant to today instead of an article from March of 2005, which was 3 months prior to SJ and Apple announcing the transition to Intel.

Bet this clown is eating some serious crow now. ;)
 
Mensajes Fri 07 Jul 06 @ 2:13 pm
ERM... hi to all... im actually totally new to DJ-ing.... but i m actually thinking of buy this software for my friend's birthday because he wants to try DJ-ing at home... but he s a mac user... so is it advisable for me to get it?? im actually thinking of the the latest version....
 
Mensajes Tue 11 Jul 06 @ 5:37 pm
xeonPRO InfinityModeratorMember since 2004
Lastest version (3.4) is not for MacOS. Version 4 will be, but it is not out yet. And don't ask for date :)
 
Mensajes Tue 11 Jul 06 @ 5:39 pm
jchiarPRO InfinityMember since 2005
Like he said. Its a great product with a strong reputation. i eagerly wait for 4.0 for the MAC version.

I bet its working in someones basement as we speak :)
 
Mensajes Wed 12 Jul 06 @ 2:41 am
phillydjPRO InfinityModeratorMember since 2004
yeah maybe...or maybe not lol
 
Mensajes Wed 12 Jul 06 @ 4:43 pm
If it's on a Mac, it works. The Mac version of VDJ 4 is already confirmed as well.

Numark won't let itself be laughed out of the PROFESSIONAL industry by PROFESSIONAL turntablists/dj's that all use PROFESSIONAL Macintosh computers with their competetitors solutions.

winBlows? Good luck. That's for amateur bedroom/hobbyist/no talent auto-mixing "dj's".

LOL!!!
 
Mensajes Fri 14 Jul 06 @ 12:04 pm
djsherzPRO InfinityMember since 2006
"winBlows? Good luck. That's for amateur bedroom/hobbyist/no talent auto-mixing "dj's". "

You're just trying to start a fight now aren't you!
 
Mensajes Fri 14 Jul 06 @ 1:03 pm
How do you know Numark are even targetting the professional market, there's a much larger market share to be had in the faster growing markets for non professionals, I'm sure they would rather take a huge increase in profit than getting their kit into every club.

And what a stupid thing to say about an operating system meaning you have no talent when the software is exactly the same..
 
Mensajes Fri 14 Jul 06 @ 1:21 pm


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