Taffy Laith
If I wanted to use VDJ in a nightclub (in the United kingdom), what licences etc do I need to be 100% legal.
Also, I used to download alot of my files from free sites such as Kazaa etc, I obviously now use legal sites to download from but do I need to do anything with my old music?
Thanks!
Also, I used to download alot of my files from free sites such as Kazaa etc, I obviously now use legal sites to download from but do I need to do anything with my old music?
Thanks!
Mensajes Mon 07 Aug 06 @ 1:11 pm
xeon
http://www.virtualdj.com/purchase - 100% legal. I am using it in club without problems. You can even buy it in a box.
With your old illegal files??? Delete them and buy them on cds or over internet if it is legal in your country.
With your old illegal files??? Delete them and buy them on cds or over internet if it is legal in your country.
Mensajes Mon 07 Aug 06 @ 1:18 pm
Taffy Laith
Sorry, i worded my question badly I think....
I understand I need to buy Virtual Dj to use it legally... But I need to know if there are any entertainment licences or anything of the sort to use a computer to entertain in a public place
I came across this website and it scared me - and to be honest I dont understand it http://www.digitaldj.co.uk/paris/digitaldj_home.asp?page=site_welcome.asp&referrer=GOOGDDJ1&zone=com
Finally, do I really need to delete all of them files, would any law people be able to tell that I once was downloading illegally?
I understand I need to buy Virtual Dj to use it legally... But I need to know if there are any entertainment licences or anything of the sort to use a computer to entertain in a public place
I came across this website and it scared me - and to be honest I dont understand it http://www.digitaldj.co.uk/paris/digitaldj_home.asp?page=site_welcome.asp&referrer=GOOGDDJ1&zone=com
Finally, do I really need to delete all of them files, would any law people be able to tell that I once was downloading illegally?
Mensajes Mon 07 Aug 06 @ 1:25 pm
Karloptimux
hi,
Many people debate on this matter in canada... We came up to this conclusion: A Dj playing in a club or anywhere else does not promote what he's playing but his/her skills. As long as keep that in mind, you are legal to me. Of course, many people will say that using a legal/illegal file will make all the difference. But to me, if you modify the song a minimum, without rights, you are screwed. Legal or illegal. The same goes for "mixtapes". As long as you write "For Promotional Use Only" on it... you are ok in Canada. You can even sell them and play them in clubs if you want.
Karlo.
Many people debate on this matter in canada... We came up to this conclusion: A Dj playing in a club or anywhere else does not promote what he's playing but his/her skills. As long as keep that in mind, you are legal to me. Of course, many people will say that using a legal/illegal file will make all the difference. But to me, if you modify the song a minimum, without rights, you are screwed. Legal or illegal. The same goes for "mixtapes". As long as you write "For Promotional Use Only" on it... you are ok in Canada. You can even sell them and play them in clubs if you want.
Karlo.
Mensajes Mon 07 Aug 06 @ 1:30 pm
Andrew87
See here: http://www.ppluk.com/ppl/ppl_lf.nsf/DigitalDJ?openPage
The licence is to do with royalties for legally purchased music, it does not mean you can play illegally obtained files. When you purchase music on vinyl, cd or from the internet it is with the permission that you will play the music for yourself personally. When you've copied it into a digital format, you've done so without permission and also are not allowed to play it publically, or something along those lines. I don't agree with it, it's not like we're not extorted like crazy compared to the rest of Europe already..
The licence is to do with royalties for legally purchased music, it does not mean you can play illegally obtained files. When you purchase music on vinyl, cd or from the internet it is with the permission that you will play the music for yourself personally. When you've copied it into a digital format, you've done so without permission and also are not allowed to play it publically, or something along those lines. I don't agree with it, it's not like we're not extorted like crazy compared to the rest of Europe already..
Mensajes Mon 07 Aug 06 @ 1:46 pm
andytaylor125
Hi,
yep, to be 100% you would need to delete every illegal file you've ever downloaded! :(
You could then download songs from napster and play them with VDJ without any other sort of license (As far as i know!).
But if you wanted to rip CDs (that you've legally perchased) you'd have to get a digital dj license (£200 a year). to do it legally.
I think that's about it! (unless you want to do videos as well- but thats even more complicated!))
Also, the venue where you're playing need to have a license to play music to the public, but that's their responsability, so you shouldn't need to worry about that.
I'm sure somebody will correct me if they know different :)
Hope that helps.
yep, to be 100% you would need to delete every illegal file you've ever downloaded! :(
You could then download songs from napster and play them with VDJ without any other sort of license (As far as i know!).
But if you wanted to rip CDs (that you've legally perchased) you'd have to get a digital dj license (£200 a year). to do it legally.
I think that's about it! (unless you want to do videos as well- but thats even more complicated!))
Also, the venue where you're playing need to have a license to play music to the public, but that's their responsability, so you shouldn't need to worry about that.
I'm sure somebody will correct me if they know different :)
Hope that helps.
Mensajes Mon 07 Aug 06 @ 1:51 pm
Andrew87
andytaylor125 wrote :
You could then download songs from napster and play them with VDJ without any other sort of license (As far as i know!).
It should be that way, but it isn't. From the site the original poster gave:
Quote :
The position in respect of lawful downloads is very similar, save that you are given a limited right to keep a copy of the downloaded sound recording for your domestic listening. If you want to keep that copy for other purposes, then the law requires you to obtain the permission of the copyright owner.
Mensajes Mon 07 Aug 06 @ 1:54 pm
Karloptimux
Well to me I would never take any sort of menace comming out of a .com site... I think that those licenses are made for people who dj without touching their gear. If you dont modify the song in any way, you become a "broadcaster"... this is causing a problem. A bit like playing illegal files in a commercial building. But if you actualy mix and play with the songs... you become an artist that display skills.
Rather touchy, but I think that's it.
Karlo.
Rather touchy, but I think that's it.
Karlo.
Mensajes Mon 07 Aug 06 @ 1:54 pm
The_Unforgiven
No offense meant for anyone, but this discussion is not about what anyone here THINKS is right or not.
Taffy Laith wants to know facts.
Although I´m not from the UK, I´ve heard about this license , which is a MUST for UK DJs if you want to be legal. Those licenses can be obtained through the websites mentioned above by other fellows.
Also, you do need to delete the illegal files if you want to be 100% legal.
AND, buying VDJ is essential =)
Hope it helps... and please do correct me if I´m wrong
Dj Joe
Taffy Laith wants to know facts.
Although I´m not from the UK, I´ve heard about this license , which is a MUST for UK DJs if you want to be legal. Those licenses can be obtained through the websites mentioned above by other fellows.
Also, you do need to delete the illegal files if you want to be 100% legal.
AND, buying VDJ is essential =)
Hope it helps... and please do correct me if I´m wrong
Dj Joe
Mensajes Tue 08 Aug 06 @ 4:29 am
Karloptimux
I think that the place you live in makes it for much when we speak of legality. Here in Canada, what you consider as illegal download is legal, or tolerated. And so is many other things related to the music industry.
I think that the best way to be legal is to consult your contries laws.
Karlo.
I think that the best way to be legal is to consult your contries laws.
Karlo.
Mensajes Tue 08 Aug 06 @ 1:18 pm
tunic
I've emailed DJ Download to find out if their stuff is legal to play out. Basically, the PPL states it is to do with duplication of music, whereas if the content is downloaded straight to a laptop and the licensed for public performance (which you'd expect from a DJ specialist site) then the PPL shouldn't in theory be needed. Note the PPL is worded very woolily and only says "you probably need a licese".
I'll let you know what DJ Download say if they get around to replying.
Mensajes Tue 08 Aug 06 @ 1:41 pm
tunic
Further to my point above here is the extract from the FAO section:
"The position in respect of lawful downloads is very similar, save that you are given a limited right to keep a copy of the downloaded sound recording for your domestic listening. If you want to keep that copy for other purposes, then the law requires you to obtain the permission of the copyright owner."
They make the assumption about what license you are granted. That is true for I-Tunes, but should not be true for Beatport, DJDownload etc. because they are targetting DJs (indeed, Beatport for example isn't even in the UK and a similar license isn't needed in the US as far as I am aware).
Basically, the license FAO is so badly worded that I think they will struggle to enforce it but I am keeping my eyes and ears open. I am not sure how it affects non-professional DJs really because how do you enfore something which is not for profit? Bands don't ever get artists' permissions to cover their songs in pubs and clubs for example.
Mensajes Tue 08 Aug 06 @ 1:47 pm
tunic
Hi all,
Have my response from DJ Download:
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Hi Stuart,
Unfortunately, this is a bit of a grey area in most countries. The UK have partly sorted it out in that there is a license specifically if you play off laptop, however, they have not covered the situation where people burn the tracks to CD and then play from CD decks. It used to be that if the club had the correct music license then it would be ok. However, most countries have not covered the MP3 situation.
All I can say for sure is that all the tracks we sell have been legally licensed from the labels and that if anyone ever questioned you on where you obtained the music, we would be more than happy to provide proof of every track that you have purchased from us. However, from a legal perspective I can't be more definite on whether you can play them in a club.
I'm sorry I can't be of more help, but there just isn't a definitive answer. Our advice would be to contact the PPL and chat to them direct
Cheers
Adam
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Hi,
I have been a customer for over a year and was wondering if the tracks you sell are licensed for public performance with needing a PPL? I notice the PPL talks about reproduction, not performance of digital tracks.
Kind regards,
Stuart Jones
Have my response from DJ Download:
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Hi Stuart,
Unfortunately, this is a bit of a grey area in most countries. The UK have partly sorted it out in that there is a license specifically if you play off laptop, however, they have not covered the situation where people burn the tracks to CD and then play from CD decks. It used to be that if the club had the correct music license then it would be ok. However, most countries have not covered the MP3 situation.
All I can say for sure is that all the tracks we sell have been legally licensed from the labels and that if anyone ever questioned you on where you obtained the music, we would be more than happy to provide proof of every track that you have purchased from us. However, from a legal perspective I can't be more definite on whether you can play them in a club.
I'm sorry I can't be of more help, but there just isn't a definitive answer. Our advice would be to contact the PPL and chat to them direct
Cheers
Adam
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Hi,
I have been a customer for over a year and was wondering if the tracks you sell are licensed for public performance with needing a PPL? I notice the PPL talks about reproduction, not performance of digital tracks.
Kind regards,
Stuart Jones
Mensajes Wed 09 Aug 06 @ 10:11 am
DJ Niems
I live in South Africa, and here we only need a public broadcasting lisence.
Currently, there is no law that backs up having illegal mp3's on your computer, and when the clubs get raided here, they will only fine if they find copied cd's ect.
Geuss thats why we a 3rd world country :D
I pay about 100 pounds per year to broadcast, and a little extra to the same company for using a certain amount of mp3's if i decide to do that at a party.
I wish there was an international "Mp3 lisence" that allows you to download however many songs off websites are p2p things, but you pay a certain percentage per year or month for the amount of songs you have on your machines, so that it almost 'converts' all the illegal mp3's to legal ones. Downloading protected file formats is such a mission, especially with portable players :(
I use www.gomusic.ru, very good website, legal, much cheaper than napster or itunes, and has a massive database
Currently, there is no law that backs up having illegal mp3's on your computer, and when the clubs get raided here, they will only fine if they find copied cd's ect.
Geuss thats why we a 3rd world country :D
I pay about 100 pounds per year to broadcast, and a little extra to the same company for using a certain amount of mp3's if i decide to do that at a party.
I wish there was an international "Mp3 lisence" that allows you to download however many songs off websites are p2p things, but you pay a certain percentage per year or month for the amount of songs you have on your machines, so that it almost 'converts' all the illegal mp3's to legal ones. Downloading protected file formats is such a mission, especially with portable players :(
I use www.gomusic.ru, very good website, legal, much cheaper than napster or itunes, and has a massive database
Mensajes Wed 09 Aug 06 @ 3:37 pm
tunic
More email contact:
From me to Adam @ DJ Download:
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Thanks for the reply Adam. From the FAQ on the PPL site it seems the license is designed to cover copying of tracks rather than performance so theorectically if you play off the laptop you downloaded to you shouldn’t need the license if the venue has a public performance license. But as you say, I will contact the PPL directly to clarify. Their own wording is so vague anyway. Incidentally, would the artists on DJ Download actually benefit from the PPL royalties as most of them are independent labels aren’t they?
Reply from Adam
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Hi Stuart,
One thing I can say for sure is that they don’t make it at all easy for people - we have met with them countless times over the last 2 years and they seem to be missing the point and creating more barriers without proper guidelines
Cheers
Adam
From me to Adam @ DJ Download:
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Thanks for the reply Adam. From the FAQ on the PPL site it seems the license is designed to cover copying of tracks rather than performance so theorectically if you play off the laptop you downloaded to you shouldn’t need the license if the venue has a public performance license. But as you say, I will contact the PPL directly to clarify. Their own wording is so vague anyway. Incidentally, would the artists on DJ Download actually benefit from the PPL royalties as most of them are independent labels aren’t they?
Reply from Adam
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Hi Stuart,
One thing I can say for sure is that they don’t make it at all easy for people - we have met with them countless times over the last 2 years and they seem to be missing the point and creating more barriers without proper guidelines
Cheers
Adam
Mensajes Wed 09 Aug 06 @ 5:26 pm