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tayla wrote :
you couldn't count to two before I'd have another track covering the silence


So at no point ever in your DJing career have you had a gap in the music of more than 2 seconds, when something unexpected happened?

I'm impressed!
 
groovindj wrote :
Because you'd have to buy it food, train it, clean up after it, take it for walks, pay vets bills......

:-)


Funnyyyy!!!!
 
Be prepared for any eventuality and you can keep that dead air down to a minimum, and that doesn't come with experience that comes with common sense.

Apologies to Rick for going off topic, but it was Charlie that made me do it, lol.... sorry mate.

 
tayla wrote :
Sorry, but that's the difference between me and you, you think it's not a biggie to have that length of delay, me, it's just not acceptable, you couldn't count to two before I'd have another track covering the silence.

And if you didn't know, I've been gigging since the mid seventies so I've done all the formats knowin' to man, but each to their own standards I suppose.


No You haven't!!! Look here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdTfZzhB340
 
groovindj wrote :
What I'd like is for the software to be smart enough to realise that the beats vary and to adjust the CBG to compensate.

Denon's Engine software for example has a "raw detection" mode that places the CBG markers on the actual beats instead of a fixed distance apart.


And, did you ever submit this as a suggestion in the Wishes and New Features forum?
 
Can't believe I'm gonna defend him but Yeah he has talked about this RAW feature numerous times in the wishes forum. He's never started his own thread that I can remember about, always posting in someone else's thread.......
 
That second video of guetta just shows how unexperienced he is, what the hell was he doing couldn't he hear it was all pots and pans.

Thats what you get with these popstar DJ's
 
groovindj wrote :
tayla wrote :
you couldn't count to two before I'd have another track covering the silence


So at no point ever in your DJing career have you had a gap in the music of more than 2 seconds, when something unexpected happened?

I'm impressed!



Hey groovindj, I'm in agreement with tayla on this point about readiness, I also learned that being prepared is very important as a working DJ that's why I keep an iPod and CD player on all my gig's ...no matter where I go, so a push of a button doesn't take that long and look at their disastous face when things went bad,... was very telling, I an't letting that happen to me, now if the lights went out then you can at least say you brought the house down in flames....
 
Charlie Wilson wrote :
That second video of guetta just shows how unexperienced he is, what the hell was he doing couldn't he hear it was all pots and pans.

Thats what you get with these popstar DJ's


Guetta was DJ'ing and producing a long time before most people had heard of him, he's been in the game a long time he's not trainwrecking anywhere that's a dubbed video, come on he's not spinning "it's raining men" lol.
 
 
Just to be clear...

The sync button IS NOT THE PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!

The level of commitment to this wonderful business we call DJ'ing is.

There are FAR too many people claiming to be DJ's and their only experience is the Sync button. They have NO concept of what it means to mix two different tracks together and they FIRMLY believe that the Sync button is the be all and end all when it comes to Dj'ing.

To go from 127bpm to 198bpm... By all means, Sync away. To go from 94bpm to 129bpm.. NO! Sync can't help you.


We older Dj's have been around a long time and used from 8-tracks, to reel 2 reel, to cassettes, to record players, to turntables, to CD players to controllers and will most likely use whatever comes out next.

I LOVE what I do. I LOVE how I do it and will gladly help anyone I can.To anyone that's interested in Dj'ing, It's cool to use the sync button but don't DEPEND on the sync button.

PLEASE learn your MUSIC and use common sense.

I just purchased my daughter a Numark Mixtrack Pro and will be "attempting" to teach her how to DJ. I want to teach her that she needs to use good judgement in her selection of music. To teach her to use her ears. To teach her how to ride the pitch. To teach her how and when to Mix, blend or drop a new track in.

When she has those BASICS down, then she can learn FX and sync.

A lot of our newer generation of aspiring Dj's did not do this. They learned Sync first, Then FX and that pretty much is the extent of what they know how to do.
My friends, That is NOT Dj'ing.

The bad rap with VDJ and the sync is because there have been soooooooooo many people that have downloaded a bootleg CRACK copy of VDJ and applied less than the basics to the art of DJ'ing. These people have gone out into the world and quite frankly STUNK IT UP using CRACKED VDJ and the Sync button.

I love Dj'ing. I love the business side of it, the fun of it, the money generated from it. The advances that have been made in our industry have been AMAZING and I will continue to avail myself to them but for GOODNESS SAKE.......

HELP THESE OTHER ASPIRING DJ'S BY LETTING THEM KNOW THAT BEING A DJ IS NOT ALL ABOUT THE SYNC BUTTON.

That is my whole point in this thread and my whole point in any ranting I have done or may do.

Don't let a product like "Sync a Song" ruin them.

Teach dem youth how to live.
Teach di youth dem how to survive.
 
20 seconds of dead air???? That's an eternity, start counting and see. Yes, it has happened to me early in my career, and I still make mistakes today. However, the only time I'd have that much dead air now, is if it was a power failure.

Djcity, great commercial, but you would get a lot of returns. As we all know, the sync button does not make you a DJ. My whole point of this thread, was to try to remove some of the aggression I see towards sync button users. Now, I like aggression, and miss the blood on the forum floor (PCDJ). But, I got a couple of stars, and try to keep things a little civil (not all the time). Especially for the new comer, we don't need to beat them as soon as they get here. Let's wait at least till they buy the software.
 
"Sync a Song", I hope to sell a grand total of ZERO and I hope to never see a product like it hit the streets.
That was simply an illustration of how some see VDJ, what some expect VDJ to do for them and how VDJ got the bum rap it has/had because when you have false expectations coupled with zero knowledge, You end up with a great product that looks bad because of cracks and user stupidity in public places.


This is a GREAT software and it's getting even greater.
This is a GREAT community.

I want better for VDJ and they are on the right path.



Perfection is a road, not a destination.
 
A Man and His Music wrote :
Especially for the new comer, we don't need to beat them as soon as they get here


This is key phrase for me..

I am no pro by any means so letting you know before you judge. This website is my NUMBER 1 source for everything dj. I read all posts from "how do I connect this" "how do I mix this" to "this sucks". From the beginning I was always embarrased to ask questions. Other people are not so they should not be hated on because of their question. Regardless how obscure or rediculouse the question may seem.

Some of you posters have options how to post them. I.E. V.I.P. status. So just because someone wants to go on a rant does not mean any NLU user of that sort should run into that. This is still a public forum regardless...

I hope you guys can understand my sentiment. I dont dislike anyone on these forums. In a way I feel like I know you some way because of the passion I see here.

Best Regards!
 
Actually Guetta is so cheesy I would of expected him to play Raining Men.
 
just posted this on a reply on facebook about the new Pioneer player sync button "it's funny that beatmatching DJ's think they can no longer use these CDJ's because of a sync button. Some cars have auto break systems if you pay atention to your driving you might never need them, but your going to love them when you get cut of guard."
 
I saw this posted online and thought i'd share.



"Beat sync renders the decks useless... but any DJ with credibility wouldn t really want to stand behind these in a club?!"
incorrect.

i'm really tired of this trope, it's mostly swung around by people who aren't half-decent DJs and need something to separate them and put them above the newbies. Nobody cares if the deck has sync. It doesn't matter. Beatmatching is a technical skill, it's not a talent, and it's not what people come to the club for. Freeing up your time to do more live remixing, etc. is a Big Deal.

Shit DJs will be shit DJs always and will have ways to lazy themselves out of having to mix properly. I'm glad they'll have the option of sync, so when I go to a club I don't need to listen to an opener that's drowning out the sound of his trainwrecks with that goddamned airhorn sample anymore. And for those of us who enjoy the art, this coupled with a DJM2000/RMX1000 or a laptop running ableton suddenly gives a lot more options for creative performance. I play on four decks reasonably well, but spend a LOT of time tending to them as even the tightest beatmatch on 6% eventually drifts enough to be audible.

Sync is a tool that lets you reduce that load. It won't always do it right, it won't make a bad DJ good, but it will allow those of us who really put in the time and effort to free up our hands a little to do all the other cool stuff the new breed of kit lets us do. if you think freeing DJs up to do more than spend their time matching tempos is 'killing the art' then you're one of the folks who's probably actually neutering it. It also gives you lots of creative options that simply can't be done by hand - I'd like to see you slow down two tracks in sync by 10% or more to shift genres during a break while still keeping percussion synced up - you can't do it accurately. It's just not feasible.

I've been at this 10+ years now. I've played vinyl, I've played on controllers, I've played on many different versions of the CDJ, I've played in ableton, and I can say that I welcome every new improvement and opportunity to do new and exciting things with open arms. It's not a threat, it doesn't diminish the fun I have or the quality of what I do.

This whole sync argument reeks of people trying to create an exclusive club to keep new people out. I've seen the same exact voices cropping up bitching about pioneer's new low cost controllers/standalone units and saying that the barrier to entry for DJing is getting too low - well GOOD. I hope it does. I hope that people who never thought about DJing before start flooding in and kicking ass. I hope they run circles around all the folks who keep complaining about every new innovation as the downfall of the art and I hope that they drive new technology and ideas into the scene.

I just hope they don't play le7els - that's not too much to ask, is it?

TL;DR, sync is only a problem to people who think beat matching is what makes a DJ, and those people probably aren't that good anyway.
 
http://youtu.be/-7O6KQzHH6s ive been a dj for 30 years and i started with turntables and now i a sponsored dj with vestax. it the tools are there use em, AS LONG AS YOU USE THAT AS TOOLS AND NOT CRUTCHES
 
I think the DJs who know what they are doing...the old school ones who have been around for a while have actually embraced the sync button. I think the ones who talk all the mess about the sync buttons are the newer gen DJs on Serato who just like to move the pitch fader to match BPMs visually or the newer gen DJs who have actually taught themselves how to beat match by ear and have taken it upon themselves to preserve an art form. I also think CDJ DJs also fall into this group, they somehow seem to think that since they are using CDJs instead of a DVS system they are better but you can't fool someone who has been in the game for a while with that argument. Matching BPMs on a CDJ is way more easier than on a turntable, CDJ users have BPM readouts and a cue button that they love to use and abuse.

I think any old school DJ who used to lug around a crap load of equipment and had to put so much work into it can appreciate how easy the new technology has made their life easier and has embarrassed the new technologies.
Either way I could care less how you DJ, to each their own. Just keep the music pumping and the drinks flowing! The people on the dance floor could care less about anything else.
 
A Man and His Music wrote :
I have been a DJ for 45 years, longer than most of you have been breathing. ....

I USE THE SYNC BUTTON ALL THE PUCKING TIME


Amen brother. Same here, over 20 years in the biz and on a Technics SL-1200, one really didn't have any other choice. Hell, pitch bend was taping the platter. The Denon made a world of difference when it came to market, but it was about the same, as that magically little friend, the SYNC button still didn't exist. (Yes, I still I am an idiot, I have the Blue special edition one, doh!)

That all said I LOVE THE SYNC BUTTON! I know the theory, I have it well practiced, but why work harder then I need too? Sure, from time to time, I do manually adjust the pitch as certain songs just don't detect well, but that little charm has saved me lots of time. It's really taken my prep time from 1-2m per song down to 15 seconds. As someone who does allot of mic work (live internet broadcasts), this saves me huge amounts of time and gives me the time to step the party up one extra notch.

That all said, I respect the opinion of others, but my curious question, why ignore a tool at your disposal? Yes, that sync button makes everyone and their grandmother a DJ, but honestly, our talents as professionals makes the difference. Think the big media guys feel threatened by the bloggers? Sure, they know they're there, but they know what the dif in what they do versus the bloggers.

I say, why make one's life harder then needbe...
 
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