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MAGAGAR80 wrote :
Matching BPMs on a CDJ is way more easier than on a turntable,



i found it easier to beat match on turntables due to the fact i started on turntables... took me like 6 months
 
So FACKIN sick of the SYNC debate.....either evolve or die off.......It's here, it IS NOT LEAVING, use it as a tool or shut up already...Are u not confident enough in you OWN mixing ability that you think a newb using the SYNC can "out mixx" u?....wtf.....Get OVER IT!.......
 
I think that now that Pioneer released a CDJ with SYNC button this debate will come (slowly) to an end... LOL
 
@jusblaze246,
Hey slow down there, it wasn't ment as a put down against the "The Sync" button users, I just thought it was amusing to see someone her age doing this and I'm very confident she probable wouldn't know what a Sync button is anyway...a little humer never hurt anyone and no need to pop a vein over it, beside I know you didn't read my post to know what my position is on this topic, so here, take a look..\/


JoeyKJ wrote :
No, No, No This all is a very healthy conversation on the topic which brings into focus allot of varying degrees of opinions from experience DJ's which has a benefit to those with an open mind..

Look at the recording industry for example, you don't need what was once traditionally live musicians in the studio anymore to produce a hit song or album, which is what DJ's use and depend on to spin other peoples music, so would you also call that CHEATING, I’ll bet you could find allot of musicians that still have that opinion today too..

Things are evolving no matter which side of the argument you're on. New technologies will make it more easily obtainable to more people, which equal more $$ to those who are invested, but... what technology.... Can't do... is replace the "Creative Talent" of the “Mind”, and that is the bottom line, so have no fear if you have Talent...
 
PhantomDeejay wrote :
I think that now that Pioneer released a CDJ with SYNC button this debate will come (slowly) to an end... LOL


I Highly doubt it. I guess it's just the "nature of the beast" to always have differences like this. You will see just wait a day or or two and someone will come in saying Mac vs Pc, Vinyl vs Controller....

It's just revolving issues with no ending:)
 
@ JoeyKJ......I wasn't referencing your post at all. It is just the same old thing on EVERY Dj website, publication, u name it, everywhere. It is CONSISTENTLY this same old and tired argument. Just after seeing the "debate" for the 1,000,000th time, I had to say what so many of us are thinking.....lolol
 
danielsr2006 wrote :
You will see just wait a day or or two and someone will come in saying Mac vs Pc, Vinyl vs Controller....

It's just revolving issues with no ending:)


ummm mac vs pc has been debated on here somewhere or 2

but vinyl vs controller hasn't.... YET i think
 
This is almost as good as the fight that kicked off (by accident) about PnC vs using a controller!

Anyhoo, was playing B2B with a vinyl DJ, using my virtual pitch slider to match his mad vinyl 'skillz', and would really appreciate knowing how to map the pitch slider to the Shift+Up and Shift+Down cursor keys, to permanently adjust the speed by some 0.05pbm, in much the same way as left and right temporarily nudges the track. Sometimes, using my laptops touchpad, I can't adjust it as precisely as I'd hope to.

Anyone?
 
Furthermore, being a PnC DJ (can feel the hate already!), I use the SYNC button to match the BPM, certainly, only a fool wouldn't. Bet you all use a SatNav, and not an A-Z roadmap these days - same result, one more efficient than the other, but even a SatNav gets it wrong sometimes...

What we need to remember is the SYNC button is only good for matching BPM, not syncing the tracks themselves. I mix Hard House, and only Hard House - relying solely on the sync button would ruin a set, as the tracks would end up, although beatmatched, all out of time. See the poor diagram below...

1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3

Knowing your tracks, when to drop, fade in and out, thats the difference between a DJ, and someone who presses SYNC, and hopes for the best...
 
Another 10p worth, if I may - who uses the pitchlock funtion?
 
O.k. time for me to put my 2 cents...so we got a sync button now...thats leaves more brain space for whatever else needed in the mix OR...whatever else you can think of to add to the mix (or your show?) and besides..we dont tell say Qbert to mix without some masking tape to show cue points on his battle records.reminds me when i got into the synth guitar...someone asked if that was cheating,being able to overdub on the fly...(?????) whaa? u never heard of electronic guitarists? LMFAO.. its what u make of it.and technology will keep pushing us to other levels as it allways has...in the future we will be past " bluetooth controled" mixers to say" telepathic brain control".then u can use your hands for something else...like fetch your favorite drink or just wave at the girls...yeah...
 
Mikey_With wrote :
would really appreciate knowing how to map the pitch slider to the Shift+Up and Shift+Down cursor keys, to permanently adjust the speed by some 0.05pbm


Have achieved this now!

Man, I love this forum...
 
i use the sync button just to sync my bpm and rest of the thing i do by hand cu play then adjust with the jog wheel.. i do a lot of 4 deck mixing and i realy cant see me counting all that and doing what i do.. :/ i know how to mix on turntables direct drive and cdj i don't know i haven't tried a belt drive but i guess its kind of the same but its not rocket science :)
 
I use sync to get to the same bpm, do the rest by hand/ear. I'm still a fairly lousy DJ. I don't have the experience in the clubs, I have not acquired the ability to read the crowd and create a mood. This is where the skill lies; much respect to AMAHM and the others for blazing the trail and rocking the parties for so many years.
 
TDBennett wrote :
I'm still a fairly lousy DJ.


What is DJ Full of ISH? Dude, don't ever sell your skills short like that again, especially when I know from personal experience you gets it in for sure!

KEEP ROCKING HOMEY!
 
lol been at this game 26 yrs and counting. I used to hate cdj dj;s, then I crossed over. cdj dj's talked smack about pc djs, now I crossed over. my days of "proving myself" are long gone. I carried more wax than burts bees! I love evolution!
 
You guys still don't get it huh..

DJ-ing is an ART.. using sync is cheating, using BPM counters is cheating, using key information is cheating, using computers is cheating, hell direct drive turntables are cheating!

A real DJ uses belt driven turntables, the belt is to be kept on a continuous temperature of 22,39 degrees Celsius for the optimum viscosity. The DJ uses his fingers continuously on the records to keep correcting the bias of the speed of the turntable, therefor he must know his turntables better than his wife, kids, dog and lover. A real DJ does not use headphones, he rests his ear over the record and pre-listens purely in the audible sound. To determine the key of the record he will use his musical ear, its, by big exception, allowed to use a set of small tuning forks to guide him in this process. Its not allowed to write the detected key on the records. They are to be kept spotless clean.

For transitions the rules of the spinners DOGMA 1981 are applied. DOGMA 1981 prescribed at least one scratch, and three fader turns per cross over. Also the face the DJ makes when doing this must be carefully kept

Yes.. DJ-ing is an ART!
 
jboerlage wrote :
You guys still don't get it huh..

DJ-ing is an ART.. using sync is cheating, using BPM counters is cheating, using key information is cheating, using computers is cheating, hell direct drive turntables are cheating!

A real DJ uses belt driven turntables, the belt is to be kept on a continuous temperature of 22,39 degrees Celsius for the optimum viscosity. The DJ uses his fingers continuously on the records to keep correcting the bias of the speed of the turntable, therefor he must know his turntables better than his wife, kids, dog and lover. A real DJ does not use headphones, he rests his ear over the record and pre-listens purely in the audible sound. To determine the key of the record he will use his musical ear, its, by big exception, allowed to use a set of small tuning forks to guide him in this process. Its not allowed to write the detected key on the records. They are to be kept spotless clean.

For transitions the rules of the spinners DOGMA 1981 are applied. DOGMA 1981 prescribed at least one scratch, and three fader turns per cross over. Also the face the DJ makes when doing this must be carefully kept

Yes.. DJ-ing is an ART!


I see what you did there...
 
lucas569 wrote :
lol been at this game 26 yrs and counting. I used to hate cdj dj;s, then I crossed over. cdj dj's talked smack about pc djs, now I crossed over. my days of "proving myself" are long gone. I carried more wax than burts bees! I love evolution!


Lucas, I'm with you on that fam, after all these years of being in the game, who the hell do I have to prove myself too? I can't wait to see what is the next stupid debate is going to be, lol!
 
WOW!!! I really thought this debate was over and done with.
 
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