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Well Ive read all about the dreaded ringing of the ears, of course most of us experience it for alittle while after a gig but this is the first time its happened to me starting middle of the week. I hadnt done any DJ work or practice since Saturday night. Was all fine until mid Wednesday morning but since then the damn sound hasnt stopped. Off to the Doc's this arvo but I thought I'd also get some advice from any DJ's that are suffering from Tinnitus and if they were able to fix the problem somehow..I hope!

I know about prevention, shure earbuds, earplugs, noise reducing headphones etc etc...Im looking for the cure now :(.

Mike
 
Mensajes Thu 02 Apr 09 @ 8:29 pm
Sorry Mike, there is no cure as far as I know. From now on its all a matter of managing your problem. Take care of your ears man....
 
Hey Mike,

I've experienced it once when I was sitting in a bar next to a far too loud
music with one ear turned directly to the speaker. Almost 24 hours
I had a loud sine at around 1kHz and it was driving me crazy. I kept
my ear in silence that day and luckily the hair that was stuck to my nerve
(literally) relaxed in that time.

Hopefully, yours will too eventually. The doctor should advise you what
is the best condition in which that can happen, but if it doesn't, the
problem can become permanent.

If it's one of the highest frequencies, it might become bearable, but if it's
in the range of human speech I know I could not stand that...

Hang in there, and hope it gets better!
 
EAR PROTECTION NOW!!!

wether you have the ringing or not, its worth paying £100+ for the professional earbuds.

the cheep sub £5 buds dont give you proper protection over music..
 
I paid 90 euros for professional earplugs with a -30dB effect. I've only had them for a month or two and i couldn't be happier i started using it.
 
Go to sleep with the tv or the radio on and you won't be kept awake by the ringing, I'm being serious it's what a lot of DJ's do. My friends & myself from time to time.

How can you DJ with ear buds in? how do you mix? especialy if your using a something crap like the RMX with the headphone volume being so low as it is.

Are these ear buds headphones too? eg headphones when you want them to be and ear buds when you don't?
 
marksmolinski wrote :
EAR PROTECTION NOW!!!

wether you have the ringing or not, its worth paying £100+ for the professional earbuds.

the cheep sub £5 buds dont give you proper protection over music..


Which earbuds did you get?
 
Charlie Wilson wrote :
Go to sleep with the tv or the radio on and you won't be kept awake by the ringing, I'm being serious it's what a lot of DJ's do. My friends & myself from time to time.

How can you DJ with ear buds in? how do you mix? especialy if your using a something crap like the RMX with the headphone volume being so low as it is.

Are these ear buds headphones too? eg headphones when you want them to be and ear buds when you don't?


Professional ear buds are made to fit inside your ear, and only decrease
the volume as evenly as possible (in frequency spectrum). So if you get a
type that decreases a volume for -10 dB, you can mix with no problems,
maybe increase a gain on headphone volume for a few DBs, but that's it.
 
occupational hazard.

have had that coming and going for years now, but the last hearing test i had was still good. but damn if it ain't annoying!

and yeah really good quality headphones with a really good frequency response and a snug fit over the ears helps - if you can hear it clearly without having to blast the volume in your ears to drown out monitors you'll find it helps.
 
Any specific brands?

WildCountryClub: What headphones do you use?

Erxon: What brand ear buds are you talking about

Vanstino: What earplug brand gave you the -30dB.

Thanks for all the responses. Got the ears cleaned out / syringed by the doc on Friday arvo. The ringing stopped on Saturday but then I had a wedding to DJ. Just finished now and managed to get away with not having the volume so much so only minimal ringing at the moment. No gigs for 2 weeks now but the next one will be a big event so im keen to buy something ASAP that will help.
 
 
Dude ! take care of yourself first .....do it for yourself too, not someone or something else

my hearing has definitely taken some hits over the years but i have only ever had the ringing problem once

talk to your doctor/hearing specialist and get some protection NOW

i think from what you have just told us , blasting loud previews in your headphones must be avoided

i know that is difficult , but think of workarounds, make yourself recorded mixes etc .....

i was alarmed when you said most of us experience it after a gig ......i don't , and i hope that's not true
 
I have had ringing ears since the time I spent in Nam.

so I don't really get affected by the late nights and loud music, its both a godsend and a curse. I cant hear the missus nagging, but I cant hear my extensive collection of 70's icelandic porn either.

Seriously, if you wanna protect your ears, stay away from ChelteNAM....everything there is loud!
 
grug wrote :
Any specific brands?

WildCountryClub: What headphones do you use?


still using the tried and true Sony MDR V700

Frequency Response : 5Hz - 30,000Hz
Sensitivity (db) : 107dB/mW

i know a lot of people prefer their sennheiser's or one or two other brands but we've used the same two headphones for about the last 5 years and the only thing i have thought of changing about them was the earcups of one pair. instead we just switched to the set used the least for awhile and that eased off on the wear and tear issues and the foam losing its "spring"

i also think one of the things that has helped us save our ears a bit has been that we have 2 monitors in the booth that we don't have to crank through the roof to be able to hear clearly. can't remember brand off the top of my head right now, but i think the clarity vs. loudness has alot to do with it. just a gut feeling.

i'd be interested to know how loud your booth monitors are when you're mixing. got a sound meter handy? and i don't remember how to check the perceived level the headphones are pumping in the ear when we're mixing but it might be worth knowing.
 
wildcountryclub wrote :
i'd be interested to know how loud your booth monitors are when you're mixing. got a sound meter handy? and i don't remember how to check the perceived level the headphones are pumping in the ear when we're mixing but it might be worth knowing.


A booth...thats a luxury I dont have. No venue within a 300km has a booth here. Have to bring all my own sound gear and nearly all places I have to play music with my speakers less than 2 meters away. Most times i have to have the speakers on the floor because they would be knocked over too much on a stand. The shure ear buds sure are expensive but it looks like I'll have to buy them to cut out the noise.

On the funny side it was amusing on the weekend to see a couple of people look alarmed when I said I was suffering from Tinnitus like they thought it was something they could catch from me :D
 
 
Yeah theres alot of causes. I have been having a bit more caffeine than normal the last week but I cant live without that either.

Another wiki link... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise-induced_hearing_loss

Interesting about the Occupational Safety and Health Administration stating that "exposure to impulsive or impact noise should not exceed 140 dB peak sound pressure level" and the US Department of Defence has a Permissible Exposure Limit of 90 dBA for an hour eight hour period.

Also.. "Employees are required to wear hearing protection when it is identified that their 8-hour TWA is above the exposure action value of 85 dB. "
 
Hey I'm from Germany

I've got also a tinnitus since 2007 i think.

So i've bought a professional earsave called "ELACIN ER",
they are adjustet to each ear, so they are fitting very good.
You can change between three filters (-8 db, -15db, -25db)!
And they are great, you hear every frequenzy like without earsave just not so loud.

Here a link:
http://www.thomann.de/gb/in_ear_elacin_25_filter_gehoerschutz.htm

Just visit a hearing aid specialist, they often sell also earsave.
 
Dear Virtual DJ users

I've suffered from tinnitus all my life, and in fact, when I first had the problem there was no cure! I was turned away and left to suffer in silence. I am lucky today because there are now cures out there.

I have never been able to wear headphones for over 20 years, but this week I had some luck.

I started out by taking a risk and buying a new pair of $250 Audio Technica noise cancelling headphones. I then found this app on my iphone called ""tinnitus pro medical audio." Effectively this enables you to play your iphone music through this player, but it cuts out the frequencies which cause the tinnitus pain. It then replaces the empty frequencies with a constant ringing tone that is matched to the pitch of the ringing in your head.

TIP: The ringing you hear is basically the sound of your brain thinking. It's much like any noise made by the body, like your heart beating. The ear, for some reason, rather than gathering sound from outside your head, it gets it by looking inwards to the body. And may not be from wearing headphones for a long time.

I've been trying out this new iphone app but there is no version of it for Windows. I want to be able to set up my virtual DJ to be able to do the following:

1) Through only the headphone channel, cut off the offending frequencies that cause the pain, such as a dedicated graphic equaliser than only operates through the headphone cue channel
2) I don't want the graphic equaliser settings to change what is being heard by the crowd
3) mix in an MP3 which I record separately and loop to the pitch of the ringing in my head.

If that were possible then I'd be able to actually go out out DJ with no pain.

I had the pitch of my tinnitus measured by going through a hearing company. They can refer you to a tinnitus expert and they can provide you with solutions to help solve the problem. I simply acquired my pitch from a measurement made 7 years ago - worked out to being 11.2khz. I put the number into this tinnitus pro medical app and it's been a dream, I can finally use headphones and hear the sound properly!

This might be a fairly hard core solution to a big problem and it might not be for everyone. Using earbuds and other techniques to silence the noise often doesn't work, because the problem is not the sound itself, the problem is that the ear goes looking for sound inwards. So by taking the sound away from the outside it can often make the tinnitus ring louder, and make the problem worse.

There are some sites out there that talk about audio notching - and they use this application called Audacity to "notch" the music. I don't really want to do that, I want to see virtual dj can cut out the frequencies in the headphone channel only, because I don't want to have to go and adjust all the sound files individually.

This tinnitus is a big issue and I hope someone from virtual dj can help me with my setup to get the headphones working so I can DJ pain free.
 


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