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Hey VDJ staff and members,

I have been using a cracked version of VDJ version 5.6 rev in the past but I have decided to support the creators of this excellent software and actually buy it. During upgrading my software I noticed that there is a significant difference with the SYNC features between the new VDJ version 6.1 and my older version. I've uploaded examples of what I mean.

With the old 5.6rev version I'd click sync on track B to match the BPMs with track A (that is currently playing), then press play on the first beat of the bar, then mix in. The beats stay matched the whole time!

Here is an example.

http://www19.zippyshare.com/v/81689521/file.html

BUT, with the new version. I try to do the same thing and after 16 beats (sometimes even less), the beats start to slip away and sound like a train wreck.

Here is an example.

http://www19.zippyshare.com/v/86878322/file.html

I think perhaps it could be some settings that I need to change, but if not then it is defintely a BUG with the newer version that needs to be fixed. Could you guys please:

- Provide some information on how I can fix this problem.
- If this is a bug with the software, could you guys please post an update so I can fix it.
- If it is going to be a lenghty wait before there will be any improvements with this problem, could you please post a download link to a remote control for cdj400s that can be used in the 5.6rev version.

I've been a bit frustrated with this problem after parting with $AU350 and finding that it isnt doing what I want it to do.

Thanks in advanced.
 
Mensajes Sat 31 Jul 10 @ 11:12 pm
The CBG (computer beat grid) is probably off on one of the songs..

The "sync" button rely's on an accurate BPM and CBG, if this is even slightly off then the songs will not stay aligned..

What "may" have happened, is when you upgraded from 5.x to 6.x, VDJ might have re-scanned the BPM on one of the songs, changing what you had before..

The BPM detection engine is a bit better then it was before, BUT its now an all-in-one solution.. IE you cant set it for "house music detection" like you could before..


solution?
Edit and optimize your CBG and BPM for the offending songs and the problem will go away..
 
So basically what you're saying is that I have to sit there and edit the BPM and CBG for pretty much 60% of my songs? Those arn't the only songs that do that. With Version 5.6 Rev I NEVER had to do that with any song and it was ALWAYS perfectly aligned. I think that the old BPM and SYNC system was definately better than this newer one. Also, I don't have the time to sit and edit all of those songs ... is there any other solution?

Thanks
 
If it is going to be a while before there are any solutioins to this problem, could you please send me a download link for a remote control device I can use for my cdj400s with vdj 5.6rev
 
DJAlfieSyd wrote :
is there any other solution?


Or instead of using the SYNC button you could match them yourself..........Its not that hard to do..............just saying.

Huey
 
With house music that's fine, I can beat match on my own. But with RNB it gets a bit more tricky ... besides, the whole sync feature is what VDJ is supposed to do ... it worked fine in the earlier version so why has it changed now?
 
I noticed this problem too on version 6.1.1 using the exact same song on the two players. I need to be constantly adjunting the players and they would not hold a sync for more than 2 bars. Using 5.2 shows that this problem is non existent.
 
DJ Eric PR wrote :
I noticed this problem too on version 6.1.1 using the exact same song on the two players. I need to be constantly adjunting the players and they would not hold a sync for more than 2 bars. Using 5.2 shows that this problem is non existent.


Yep same here
 
Try pressing the sync button after playing the track if you're not releasing it at the right time. If I remember correctly, old versions of Virtual DJ used to hold the beats together 'beatlock' but the default sync action changed to a one time match (which is fine so long as you don't keep altering the pitch). You can create a shortcut for beatlock in the settings.
 
OK well it's clear that i'm not the only person who is experiencing this problem. Could there please be a solution to this posted up, or an update to fix this bug. I have to re-install version 5 (which I cannot currently connect to my cdj400s, because I don't have the remote control device) for a gig I have in a few days time. I'm quite frustrated that after doing the right thing and 'buying' the product it has this bug in it.

Could you guys please upload a link for me to download the cdj 400 controller for vdj version 5 OR offer a solution to this problem that doesnt involve me sitting and editing all my songs.

Thanks
 
Ok try this, go into the xml and find where the play buttons are. If it says "Play_Button" change it to "Play", then save it and try it.

Here is the definition that is given in the VDJ Script section:
play : start the deck
play_button : depending on the play_mode, act like play_stutter (Numark way) or play_pause (Pioneer way).


Then look for the sync button. If it says "Sync" change it to "Sync_nocbg", then save it and try it.

Here is the definition that is given in the VDJ Script section:
sync : synchronize the song with the other deck.
sync_nocbg : synchronize the song with the other deck, using local beat information instead of the global beatgrid.

And write down what you change incase its not what you want..............


Hope this helps
Huey
 
Thanks for your help Huey.

Where is the XML file located?
 
Go into C:\Users\-----\Documents\VirtualDJ\Skins then unzip the skin your using. Youll then see 2files appear, 1 will be the "Bitmap" (the picture of the skin) and the 2nd will be the XML. Open it with notepad. Make sure you write down what ever your gonna change in case you wanna go back and change it. Also if you screw things up so bad you just wanna scream (I have trust me, lmao!!) just delete the files. As long as you have that Zipped folder you can always unzip them again.

Heres the link to the Verbs used in VDJ, http://www.virtualdj.com/wiki/VDJscript_verbs.html.

Hope this helps
Huey
 
Once I've edited and saved the XML ... do I need to paste it anywhere in particular?
 
No, cause when you unzipped it it should of stayed in your skins folder. Just leave it where it is and when you open VDJ go to the skins tab and see something like,

Yourskin1280
Yourskin1280-Yourskin1280

The skin you edited will be the single one.


Hope this helps
Huey
 
Err ok I tried both of those and they didnt work. I also sent a ticket to support team AND tried calling the US support team from Sydney only to be told by a machine that all the operators were busy. Thanks for your ongoing help Huey. I just really want to find a solution to this.
 
DJAlfieSyd wrote :
So basically what you're saying is that I have to sit there and edit the BPM and CBG for pretty much 60% of my songs?

No, more like 10%, if that..
there also might be other problems going on, IE: incorrect BPM's in the tags, play/sync button is not using the CBG, etc etc..

Are you using midi control for the CDJ-400's? your not using timecode right?

how about this...
post a list of a few songs (artist-title) that seem to be a problem.. I will load and scan them on my computer and see how they react..
IE: lets make sure FIRST that its the beat detection thats a possible issue and not something else.
 
Most house stuff is fine its virtually ALL my rnb songs e.g. Blah Blah Blah - Kesha (120.3822) ,Rock That Body - Black Eyed Peas - 125, Salgo Pa La Calle - Daddy Yankee Ft. Randy (97. 7022),


If it is a BPM detection problem ... how do I fix it? P.s. I dont particularly want to sit through HEAPS of songs and adjust the BPM and also how would I know which songs have the detection problem UNLESS I've tried mixing them.
 
Also this happens when I just use VDJ on its own ... not even connecting to cdjs 400 yet.
 
DJAlfieSyd wrote :
. Blah Blah Blah - Kesha (120.3822) ,Rock That Body - Black Eyed Peas - 125, Salgo Pa La Calle - Daddy Yankee Ft. Randy (97. 7022),

I don't have the Daddy Yankee song..
but
the black eyed peas-rock that body is definately 125 bpm.. it was dead on the first time I threw it in the deck.. (and their was a little star next to the BPM which indicates an obvious beat.)

Kesha - Blah blah blah was wrong... and I wont blame VDJ on that one.. The original scanned BPM was 120.4314.. pretty close but I noticed it was going off at the 55 second mark..
soooo. I did a manual bpm count.. first time I got 119.95, and the second time I got 120.11.. much closer but i noticed it was STILL going off..
so i then tried setting the anchors 8 beats apart.. BAM! 120.01 ... this one worked out perfect..
again, not VDJ's fault.. thats a tough song to get an exact BPM.

DJAlfieSyd wrote :
. I dont particularly want to sit through HEAPS of songs and adjust the BPM and also how would I know which songs have the detection problem UNLESS I've tried mixing them.

1.) the ones with super obvious beats usually have an asteric * next too the BPM, you probably dont have too worry about those..
2.) look at the wave form.. in most cases you can tell right away if the CBG is on the mark or not..
 
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