lp894
I know this topic has been done before...but I've read a few threads on whether or not "laptop DJ's have killed DJing" or not and wanted to get more opinions...as well as offer my own.
I look at it like this...there will NEVER be anything like watching a Vinyl DJ flip through Vinyl crates and spin records live. The sound quality of Vinyl can't be reproduced(especially if you're not in a club setting). It's so....crisp. Scratching on a controller isn't the same as scratching on vinyl. Vinyl DJ's will never be replaced...ever. period...dot.
I make my comparison here though: Did fuel injection kill "real cars", did the automatic starter kill cars because you don't have to crank it to start it anymore? Did copmuter chips in cars "kill cars"? Did digital displays "kill cars"? No. Granted YES...it did bring a different feel lto cars....muscle cars don't sound like they used to. You can't just pull out your tool box and start working on a car to fix it. Muscle cars today aren't don't feel nearly as "strong" for the lack of a better term. BUT.....cars now(with similar specs as cars back in the 60's/70's) get MUCH better gas mileage because they're lighter, advancements in engineering have been made, anti-lock brakes makes stopping WAY better. Disc brakes are much more effective and much easier to install/replace lol. No, cars now will NEVER be cars back then....but you don't see people today complaining about "my car gets too much gas mileage" or "my car doesn't weight enough"(sometimes you hear that...but only in certain circumstances. Yes...there will always be the age old question and battle of which is better...but ultimately both old and new cars serve their purpose...and both do it very well.
In the same aspect...I don't see why auto-beat matching "kills real dj'ing"?! Yes....you don't have to work as hard....but not having to hand crank to start your car also means you don't have to work as hard either. I don't see how mp3's and music downloading "kills dj'ing". So...because I can keep all of my music on a 1.5tb hard drive...that makes me less quality than they DJ who lughs around 20 crates of wax. No...I didn't have to may 2500 for turntables and a mixer....but because I spend less money...that makes me less effective? When being a "laptop dj" first hit the scene...i could see the downfall...but with the features that controllers offer today...I don't see why people can't just agree that yes...a Laptop DJ will NEVER be the same as a Vinyl DJ...but ultimately...they're not supposed to be!
I have to turn knobs on my Denon MC-6000 just like a vinyl DJ does. I have to use the crossfader on my MC-6000 just like a vinyl DJ does. Yes...using the platters is different...and yes...I do have an auto sync button...but...I dont HAVE to use it if I choose not to. I can even use my MC-6000 as an analog mixer....operating completely seperate from VDJ. Why can't someone who's a "laptop DJ" be viewed along the same lines as someone who's a "vinyl DJ"?! It's just as difficult to do both...just in different aspects. I've heard Laptop DJ's just as good as vinyl DJ's...some even better, and vice versa. I'm not talking about making a playlist...im talkin about actually mixing...and DJ'ing...feeling the crowd....and playing what would move the crowd best next. I have to practice just like a vinyl DJ. Just because my equipment is lighter, and less expensive doesn't mean I can't be as good. Plus....being a laptop DJ can be JUST as expensive....ever price an Allen & Heath Xone controller?!
I just want some opinions is all.
I look at it like this...there will NEVER be anything like watching a Vinyl DJ flip through Vinyl crates and spin records live. The sound quality of Vinyl can't be reproduced(especially if you're not in a club setting). It's so....crisp. Scratching on a controller isn't the same as scratching on vinyl. Vinyl DJ's will never be replaced...ever. period...dot.
I make my comparison here though: Did fuel injection kill "real cars", did the automatic starter kill cars because you don't have to crank it to start it anymore? Did copmuter chips in cars "kill cars"? Did digital displays "kill cars"? No. Granted YES...it did bring a different feel lto cars....muscle cars don't sound like they used to. You can't just pull out your tool box and start working on a car to fix it. Muscle cars today aren't don't feel nearly as "strong" for the lack of a better term. BUT.....cars now(with similar specs as cars back in the 60's/70's) get MUCH better gas mileage because they're lighter, advancements in engineering have been made, anti-lock brakes makes stopping WAY better. Disc brakes are much more effective and much easier to install/replace lol. No, cars now will NEVER be cars back then....but you don't see people today complaining about "my car gets too much gas mileage" or "my car doesn't weight enough"(sometimes you hear that...but only in certain circumstances. Yes...there will always be the age old question and battle of which is better...but ultimately both old and new cars serve their purpose...and both do it very well.
In the same aspect...I don't see why auto-beat matching "kills real dj'ing"?! Yes....you don't have to work as hard....but not having to hand crank to start your car also means you don't have to work as hard either. I don't see how mp3's and music downloading "kills dj'ing". So...because I can keep all of my music on a 1.5tb hard drive...that makes me less quality than they DJ who lughs around 20 crates of wax. No...I didn't have to may 2500 for turntables and a mixer....but because I spend less money...that makes me less effective? When being a "laptop dj" first hit the scene...i could see the downfall...but with the features that controllers offer today...I don't see why people can't just agree that yes...a Laptop DJ will NEVER be the same as a Vinyl DJ...but ultimately...they're not supposed to be!
I have to turn knobs on my Denon MC-6000 just like a vinyl DJ does. I have to use the crossfader on my MC-6000 just like a vinyl DJ does. Yes...using the platters is different...and yes...I do have an auto sync button...but...I dont HAVE to use it if I choose not to. I can even use my MC-6000 as an analog mixer....operating completely seperate from VDJ. Why can't someone who's a "laptop DJ" be viewed along the same lines as someone who's a "vinyl DJ"?! It's just as difficult to do both...just in different aspects. I've heard Laptop DJ's just as good as vinyl DJ's...some even better, and vice versa. I'm not talking about making a playlist...im talkin about actually mixing...and DJ'ing...feeling the crowd....and playing what would move the crowd best next. I have to practice just like a vinyl DJ. Just because my equipment is lighter, and less expensive doesn't mean I can't be as good. Plus....being a laptop DJ can be JUST as expensive....ever price an Allen & Heath Xone controller?!
I just want some opinions is all.
Mensajes Wed 23 Mar 11 @ 3:21 pm
DJ Ace Cap1
I hate carrying vinyl.
The end!
The end!
Mensajes Wed 23 Mar 11 @ 5:04 pm
SuperAceMan
This thread has been discussed way too many times and likely shouldn't be discussed in this environment since the majority of this community has embraced computer djing.
My opinion: less set-up and tear down time & less to lug around. Less work? No. It's called working smarter. The fact that files can be accessed with precision and super speed just gives you more time to be extra creative and put on an awesome show.
Keeping it digital,
AC
My opinion: less set-up and tear down time & less to lug around. Less work? No. It's called working smarter. The fact that files can be accessed with precision and super speed just gives you more time to be extra creative and put on an awesome show.
Keeping it digital,
AC
Mensajes Wed 23 Mar 11 @ 5:24 pm
gullum
when I stared dj'ing there were only vinyl, thats before the cd was even made. Now I only use VDJ no cd or vinyl. In my country I don't know of any DJ that still uses vinyl. the majority of the older dj's are using cd's while almost all younger dj's use some software VDJ or Traktor haven't seen any using serato. Anyway in my country if you were to use vinyl people would hardly know what it was.
Mensajes Wed 23 Mar 11 @ 5:42 pm
coach k
+1 Ace Cap 1, +1 AC,
All I have to say is "I can't wait until what the next debate shall be when this game has another change!" Will we accept it or not? I watched this industry change many things over 26 years, but the one thing to me that hasn't changed is the fact people will get on the dance floor if they like your skills/music you play as a DJ and not your equipment!
While I love to pull out the vinyl every now and then to play around with it, I will never lug them heavy ass crates to do a gig again unless you paying pro athlete money, lol!
All I have to say is "I can't wait until what the next debate shall be when this game has another change!" Will we accept it or not? I watched this industry change many things over 26 years, but the one thing to me that hasn't changed is the fact people will get on the dance floor if they like your skills/music you play as a DJ and not your equipment!
While I love to pull out the vinyl every now and then to play around with it, I will never lug them heavy ass crates to do a gig again unless you paying pro athlete money, lol!
Mensajes Wed 23 Mar 11 @ 5:44 pm
synthet1c
This old chestnut eh... My opinion is that vinyl kept music sacred and exclusive, on the surface this sounds like a bad thing, but the reality I see is that with the availability of mp3's, choons get real old real fast, and they don't seem to be made with as much care, because they have gone from a passion that was expensive to make with the equipment available, expensive to press and expensive to buy.
Now dance music has turned into a cheap consumer product that anyone will make and flog off on beatport for a quick buck, granted there are exceptions to that rule, but in the popular genres that are played in most clubs there is very rarely a real anthem that would stay at the front of your playlist for more than a month, however I still have all my old breaks records which are still amazing because I took the time to select the ones I really liked.
My mp3 collection is not too huge it's about 60gig but when I see people with 1tb and more I have to ask myself why. I just did the math based on 13mb (average for 320kb) tracks... It's 76,923 songs doesn't that just get confusing, and then the ethical considerations come into play, because there is no way anyone has spent $90,000+ on buying music. The only things I haven't paid for in my collection are vinyl rips that were never released on mp3 and acapellas.
Lastly I remember when I was 17 I saved every cent I could for 6 months to buy a pair of turn tables and a mixer for $2,000, that I had to learn how to use, before I could even begin to call myself a dj, now anyone with a computer can get a torrented copy of any software use stolen music, buy a cheap as controller, and they think they are a dj, but in general have no talent and have not tuned there ears to the music they are playing, fortunately though in most underground clubs people still listen with there ears, can't say the same about electro and house though.
don't get me wrong the features of digital djing with controllers are great and open up new possibilities when performing if you understand how to use them, but for me sync takes the fun and the live element out of performing.
Anyway that's my rant
Now dance music has turned into a cheap consumer product that anyone will make and flog off on beatport for a quick buck, granted there are exceptions to that rule, but in the popular genres that are played in most clubs there is very rarely a real anthem that would stay at the front of your playlist for more than a month, however I still have all my old breaks records which are still amazing because I took the time to select the ones I really liked.
My mp3 collection is not too huge it's about 60gig but when I see people with 1tb and more I have to ask myself why. I just did the math based on 13mb (average for 320kb) tracks... It's 76,923 songs doesn't that just get confusing, and then the ethical considerations come into play, because there is no way anyone has spent $90,000+ on buying music. The only things I haven't paid for in my collection are vinyl rips that were never released on mp3 and acapellas.
Lastly I remember when I was 17 I saved every cent I could for 6 months to buy a pair of turn tables and a mixer for $2,000, that I had to learn how to use, before I could even begin to call myself a dj, now anyone with a computer can get a torrented copy of any software use stolen music, buy a cheap as controller, and they think they are a dj, but in general have no talent and have not tuned there ears to the music they are playing, fortunately though in most underground clubs people still listen with there ears, can't say the same about electro and house though.
don't get me wrong the features of digital djing with controllers are great and open up new possibilities when performing if you understand how to use them, but for me sync takes the fun and the live element out of performing.
Anyway that's my rant
Mensajes Wed 23 Mar 11 @ 6:15 pm
bmbingham
As long as you keep the dance floor full it doesn't matter what you're using.
The only people that seem to care about this debate are DJ's.
The only people that seem to care about this debate are DJ's.
Mensajes Wed 23 Mar 11 @ 8:51 pm
Tear Em 'Up
:::YAWN::: It is not very often you'll see me do this.....This debate is so worn out...it makes Coke vs. Pepsi seem like a current event....
Mensajes Wed 23 Mar 11 @ 9:11 pm
SuperAceMan
Here's the last thread with the same content >>> http://www.virtualdj.com/forums/135188/General_Discussion/A_DJ_ISN_T_A_DJ_IF_PLAYING_WITH_SOFTWARE_AND_MIDI_CONTROLLER_.html
Can we lock this one now?
Can we lock this one now?
Mensajes Wed 23 Mar 11 @ 9:18 pm
Charlie Wilson
Quote: Now dance music has turned into a cheap consumer product that anyone will make and flog off on beatport
David Guetta makes crap music! the above is so true to this artist
David Guetta makes crap music! the above is so true to this artist
Mensajes Thu 24 Mar 11 @ 5:24 am