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I SEE REPORT AFTER REPORT THAT THE PIONEER DDJ-SX IS FINE WITH VIRTUALDJ AND APPLE/MAC. I AM YET TO SEE A PC USER REPORT IF THEY HAVE ISSUES OR NOT.
 
Mensajes Mon 23 Sep 13 @ 4:06 pm
We used the DDJ-SX at BPM on various PC setups without issue.
 
indeedyo...

it was a dream to use at bpm..... even on "older" laptop.. ha

im that convinced by it, ive already ordered one... hoping it'll be among the first releases of the white units into the uk ;-)
 
I use it with my Toshiba laptop with i7 processor. No problems:-)
 
RenegadeMacky wrote :
even on "older" laptop.. ha


It may be old but it get's the job done!
 
SBDJ wrote :


It may be old but it get's the job done!
< And it seemed to run V8, very smoothly.. ;-) hope mine is up to the same task in due course.. lol



wasn't taking the mick... remember the conversation at BPM.. mines 6 - 7 years old. and still beats like a 1 year old... ;-)

thanks for letting me use it. ha ha
 
Yup, that old Dell is about 6 or 7 years old too. Retired it a couple of years ago for something quicker, smaller and lighter!
 
OK! Glad to hear all this. I'm convinced I have a faulty unit. My volume gain ( trim ) for each channel has to be turned 180 degrees for every song i load, or the trim setting will not respond. I have to move the volume past the setting ( set at 12 ) to like 1pm in order for the trim to then respond.
 
When I use my DDJ-SX with a cordless mic, and wired mic plugged in, occasionally something weird happens and I can't seam to find how I trigger the bug. The controller losses its connection to VDJ. It freaks me out when it happens. All my softwares are up to date. Running Dell XPS i7, windows 7.
 
burnyabad wrote :
OK! Glad to hear all this. I'm convinced I have a faulty unit. My volume gain ( trim ) for each channel has to be turned 180 degrees for every song i load, or the trim setting will not respond. I have to move the volume past the setting ( set at 12 ) to like 1pm in order for the trim to then respond.


This is soft takeover - the gain control doesn't respond until it matches the software position.

Try mapping the gain controls to gain_relative instead and see if you prefer it.
 
I used it with my Mac at The BPM Show there was no problems,never used the pioneer before,set was easy and worked great with Virtual dj
 
ive tried this 3 different times, it works for about 5 mins then seems to go right back to the same issue once a new song is loaded into the deck
 
I've posted in several threads including my own, that it does not work properly. I even have a ticket in with the devs, and have been told by them they were able to reproduce the same problem. So if it's faulty units, then the VDJ team had a faulty one too. I've used it on four different computers and they have all produced the same problem. I also get people messaging me asking if I've resolved the problem, because they're having problems. VDJ told me it has to do with the buffers getting overloaded. I can get it to work without lag, by deleting a good portion of the mapper, but this makes most of the pad features unavailable. I've been letting the guy who is buying it from me use it and he doesn't notice it. He loves it, but he doesn't scratch or really even mix, so he would never notice the problem. If I leave the mapper intact, everything is sloppy. My platters and faders feel like rubber, and the buttons are laggy too. Sometimes the buttons will send duplicate signals when pushed.

I use PC and all of the people who have had the same issue are running PC.

I have not seen anyone have an issue on a mac.

I think the problem might be originating from optimizing the computer, maybe I've turned off some needed resources.

What VDJ version was being used at the BPM show. I'm guessing it was VDJ 8 and not VDJ 7. Maybe the problem was addressed in the new version.

Here's a link to a vid I made about the issue.
http://youtu.be/Rhq8Rm1a8K4

As stated above I've been able to duplicate this issue on 4 laptops now, but I primarily use the one below with the DDJSX.

I'm running a Rain Livebook V2

This was touted as the most powerful laptop in the world when I bought it. Here's the specs.

VDJ 7.4
Computer is a Rain Livebook V2
ASUS Mother Board
8 Gigs Ram
Intel Core I7 2630QM @2.00GHZ
Nvidia GeForce GTX 460M
Windows 7 Pro 64bit

I've tried every fix from every thread I can find without any luck. I've been using VDJ 5 days a week since 4.3. I use an Ns7 at the club on a different computer which is one of the 4 tested. It works perfect and it also works perfect on this laptop. When I say perfect I mean it. I can pull the latency slider all the way down without hiccups.
 
burnyabad wrote :
ive tried this 3 different times, it works for about 5 mins then seems to go right back to the same issue once a new song is loaded into the deck

This is because unlike traditional CD's/vinyl, the optimal gain setting is stored in VirtualDJ's database and remembered for each song. So when you load a new song, the gain will change to the saved position for the new song, which in most cases will be different from the previous one and the hardware knob position will no-longer match (VirtualDJ can't move this to the correct position!)

The optimal gain for each song is determined during initial analysis of the song when loading it on a deck for the first time or pre-analysing your music collection, so that most songs will by default play at a similar volume to each other. Under normal circumstances, there should be no need to change the gain, except in the few cases where the setting determined by VirtualDJ may not be correct (It uses the average throughout the song, so a song with both long quiet and loud sections may not be set optimally.)

If you wish to be able to modify the gain without encountering this problem, then as already explained above, simply change the mapping for the gain knob to gain_relative - The hardware knob will then relatively increase/decrease the gain depending on which way you move it.

You could also map it to gain, which would immediately 'jump' to the hardware knob's actual position, but this is strongly not recommended due to the sudden increase in volume that could occur as a result, which could damage your speakers as well as give your audience a shock (This is the reason soft-takeover is used in the first place.)

NOTE: Soft-takeover is normal and standard behaviour for knobs such as gain as well as the pitch slider and is mapped like this by default on most MIDI controllers. It's not specific to the DDJ-SX. See http://www.virtualdj.com/wiki/Soft%20Take-over%20or%20Non-MIDI%20Mixer.html
 
@Jason K: As has already been explained recently in topics on this subject regarding the DDJ-SX, the problem appears to be caused by slicer section, which is not a native function in VirtualDJ and is implemented with some complex VDJscript. It only occurs when scratching simultaneously on both decks, which is something that most DJ's (Including scratch DJ's) would not normally do.

This is something that should be fixed in the next version of VirtualDJ, especially if a native slicer plugin becomes available. For now, if you need to do be able to scratch on both decks simultaneously, then the only solution is to delete the slicer section and map the pads to do something else.
 
Support staff wrote :
burnyabad wrote :
ive tried this 3 different times, it works for about 5 mins then seems to go right back to the same issue once a new song is loaded into the deck

This is because unlike traditional CD's/vinyl, the optimal gain setting is stored in VirtualDJ's database and remembered for each song. So when you load a new song, the gain will change to the saved position for the new song, which in most cases will be different from the previous one and the hardware knob position will no-longer match (VirtualDJ can't move this to the correct position!)

The optimal gain for each song is determined during initial analysis of the song when loading it on a deck for the first time or pre-analysing your music collection, so that most songs will by default play at a similar volume to each other. Under normal circumstances, there should be no need to change the gain, except in the few cases where the setting determined by VirtualDJ may not be correct (It uses the average throughout the song, so a song with both long quiet and loud sections may not be set optimally.)

If you wish to be able to modify the gain without encountering this problem, then as already explained above, simply change the mapping for the gain knob to gain_relative - The hardware knob will then relatively increase/decrease the gain depending on which way you move it.

You could also map it to gain, which would immediately 'jump' to the hardware knob's actual position, but this is strongly not recommended due to the sudden increase in volume that could occur as a result, which could damage your speakers as well as give your audience a shock (This is the reason soft-takeover is used in the first place.)

NOTE: Soft-takeover is normal and standard behaviour for knobs such as gain as well as the pitch slider and is mapped like this by default on most MIDI controllers. It's not specific to the DDJ-SX. See http://www.virtualdj.com/wiki/Soft%20Take-over%20or%20Non-MIDI%20Mixer.html


HONESTLY, why do you even respond? DID YOU ACTUALLY READ MY THREADS? Look, my problem AS STATED 14 times, is.... I set it to gain_relative, it works MAYBE, and after a few minutes it's doing the SAME thing as before. MY initial problem is that its a software takeover of the gain, and then in order to adjust the gain i must constantly adjust the gain to REGAIN control... now, the Constant UP and DOWN volumes DO affect my customers, and that's the REASON im in this thread AGAIN. thank you

not all music is equalized, we play from CD/RECORD/DVD/MP3 constantly, and you see why I have to adjust my gains.
 
should i simply change the GAIN command to gain_relative, or do i need to write a a script and insert gain_relative into the command line?
 
In that case, you may not have changed it correctly. gain_relative will work as described in the post above. Move the knob clockwise and the software knob will also move clockwise by the same amount (Assuming there's enough room left on the knob.) Move it anti-clockwise and it will move anti-clockwise by the same amount.

Please note that when using gain_relative, the position indicator mark on the software gain knob won't match the position position indicator on the hardware one. You will need to refer to the on-screen knob to see exactly how much gain is currently being applied, but you should be able to see when its set correct via the VU meters. In a future version of VirtualDJ, it might be possible to make it so that the software knob position gradually 'catches up' with the hardware one as you move it until the two are synchronised.

If you are using the updated v1.1 mapping for the DDJ-SX, then the GAIN knob has a more complex action to take into account using 2 decks to avoid the wrap-around issue (Decks 3&4 wrapping back to 1&2.) If this is the case, you will need to change each occurrence of gain_slider in the script to gain_relative, e.g:

get decks 2 ? action_deck 1 ? var 'hwmixer' ? nothing : gain_slider : action_deck 2 ? var 'hwmixer' ? nothing : gain_slider : nothing : var 'hwmixer' ? nothing : gain_slider

...Change this to:
get decks 2 ? action_deck 1 ? var 'hwmixer' ? nothing : gain_relative : action_deck 2 ? var 'hwmixer' ? nothing : gain_relative : nothing : var 'hwmixer' ? nothing : gain_relative


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not all music is equalized, we play from CD/RECORD/DVD/MP3 constantly, and you see why I have to adjust my gains.


This is true when playing from external sources such as traditional CD players, vinyl, etc. and when playing from these sources you may need to adjust the gain appropriately. However, when you are playing music via VirtualDJ, the gain will have been already adjusted automatically in most cases to the optimal level via VirtualDJ's built-in automatic gain (Unless you have disabled it in CONFIG -> Options), even if the original file itself isn't normalised (Auto-gain is a standard feature in most DJ software.) The gain should require no adjustment in most cases (And if it does need tweaking, this change will be saved for next time you play the same song.)

NOTE: You shouldn't use the software gain in VirtualDJ to try to boost the level to match louder external sources such as CD players, etc. otherwise you may experience limiter 'pumping' or worse distortion if the limiter is disabled if too much gain is applied (Pioneer CDJ's for example usually have a much 'hotter' output than most computer sound cards.) If your external sources are much louder than VirtualDJ's normal output level, simply turn down their gains to match. Please see http://www.virtualdj.com/wiki/Limiter.html
 
thank you for clarrifying. My gains are much more manageable since you explained the gain_relative placement for each deck! thank you.!!!!! It's not perfect, but i can actually use this system now!!!!!
 
Why does he even respond? I don't know, maybe he's trying to help you.
 
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