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my mate has come to my help for his son.

buget bout 1k, maybe 1.5k.

all i kno is CDJ's, no nothing bout other controllers...i dont want to direct him to a shity controller, which controllers would suit a 10 yr old.
he wants to use cds,but i think he wants to using a lappy as well.

i have a link of jb hi-fi with a list of controllers
http://www.jbhifi.com.au/pro-dj/cd-players-controllers/

thanks in advance, Panos
 
Mensajes Thu 26 Dec 13 @ 2:48 am
I would get the DDJ-SR, it's a perfect replacement for cdj's without actually being able to play cd's. It should leave enough change to get some cheap speakers and headphones. and remember to tell your mate that jb always give discounts if you pay in cash. He should be able to walk out of there with the sr, the 5inch m-audio monitors and some HDJ-1500 for $1000 or less.
 
i will have a better idea when we head out to jb's and have a look what he likes and what to use

yhanks synthetic
 
Mixdeck is the way to go. Play CD's, USB and on laptop.

Me personally, I've shown people how to DJ and always started them the way I started. On vinyl. Instill the basics first and foremost. Counting BPM. Counting Bars. Beatmatching by ear. Then practice, practice and practice some more. With this knowledge you can mix on ANY medium out there.
 
Do you really want to spend all that money on a kid?

I gave my son my old Pioneer DJM500 and Denon HC4500 and he's learned loads.

It's not just about the gear though ..... we spent over 120 hours together making a 2 hour 90s megamix using VDJ and Multiquence. Beauty of this is that he now knows how music is constructed and put together and that will ultimately make him a better DJ in the long run.

Keith
 
Buy him turntables and a mixer first....Teach him the real way...controller down the road. But if it must be a controller get an old mixtrack pro...they like 100 bucks now...but i say start him wit turntables...
 
You don't need to buy turntables to learn how to mix. That's a 'vinylsaur' mentality. Just learn with a controller and don't touch the sync button.
 
Well maybe i am...but starting on turntables made me appreciate the art more..how can any dj say starting on turntables is not a good start, I never understood that mentality. Maybe because im also considering scratching and beat matching or maybe the abilty to jump on any set and rock out because your gonna run into 1200s one day what wrong with knowing how to freak those also...limited djs in this new era...buy that boy turntables and see if he stay interested...if he wanted to play a guitar you start with an acoustic right.... and if your a lover of the art why would you deprive that experience from the young guys. it might make him a better dj...
 
i mite push him onto the numark mixdeck express 2... it has CD's... at least he can learn to beat match without the sync button
 
Djratedxxx919 wrote :
Well maybe i am...but starting on turntables made me appreciate the art more..how can any dj say starting on turntables is not a good start, I never understood that mentality. Maybe because im also considering scratching and beat matching or maybe the abilty to jump on any set and rock out because your gonna run into 1200s one day what wrong with knowing how to freak those also...limited djs in this new era...buy that boy turntables and see if he stay interested...if he wanted to play a guitar you start with an acoustic right.... and if your a lover of the art why would you deprive that experience from the young guys. it might make him a better dj...


I with ya brotha. We are a dying breed. I still use TT's when I spin at clubs. Granted I use a controller now also for mobile gigs. People ask me all the time why I use TT's even though I don't scratch. Cause when I learned to DJ, even if you did not scratch, all you can mix on was a TT. No ifs ands or buts about it. You had to learn the basics no matter what. No shortcuts, no wave forms, no BPM counters. And guess what, I can mix on any medium. Take the screen away and I am still mixing. Plenty of todays DJs go nuts if you take their screen away. I was playing at a club where one the CDJ's screen went out. The CDJs still played, the screen was just dead. We were all playing either USB or CDs. The DJ that played after me had a tough time. Trainwrecked every other mix. He did not know his BPMs and relied on BPM counters. Took him forever to beat match and did not know how to ride the pitch. Yeah just basics of DJing escaped this guy. and he was the Headliner!!
 
dizzyrocks2001 wrote :
You don't need to buy turntables to learn how to mix. That's a 'vinylsaur' mentality.


Agreed - and I started DJing when turntables were the only option.

Just because that's the way we did it (we had no choice anyway) there's no need to force others into learning an outdated system that they're probably never going to use or encounter.

A kid that age probably doesn't even know what a record is, and there's no need for him to know. Given the proper instruction, he can learn to mix without relying on BPM counters, waveforms, sync or any of those things. Teach him what they are & what they do by all means, but if taught correctly he'll know not to be dependent on them.


In other words it's not what you learn on, it's how you're taught.
 
There is something amiss in the universe, because I agree with Groovindj 100%. I don't know how that happened, but I'm gonna stop smoking crack right ............. well maybe next week. A great teacher, teaches theory, fundamentals, not outdated equipment. C'mon, stop this craziness. Do you pull out an Atari to teach gaming? "Oh I'm sorry kid, you can't get the new Xbox, until you learn how we did it on an Atari". Do you teach your kid how to shoot, using a flint rifle? Of course not. How many of you have ever used a typewriter, but can master a computer keyboard? How many of you that have kids, teach them how to do ANYTHING, with outdated, prehistoric equipment? He has a cell phone, an ipod, ipad, xbox, and the list just goes on. You want to teach him how to use a turntable? What about 8 track, cassette, mini disc, dat? All of these tools, are outdated modes of delivering music. Please read this next statement carefully.

Turntables are still used by a select few, highly skilled DJ's, to control software. I think that is a fair assessment. They may also play some of their old records at home, because that is what they like to do.

You can become a great DJ, and never touch a turntable. That is not what this thread is even about. This guy wanted advise about which controller to get his son. He has probably heard about turntables, but that is not what he asked for.
 
A Man and His Music wrote :
You do need to ever touch a turntable


You're missing a vital word there, I think.
 
I would love to ride a horse to work every day, but I can't find one cheap enough that won't get killed by a car. Nuff said
 
Invest the cash in good teaching and SIMPLE but DURABLE gear. Something like a hercules RMX or so. Too many bells and whistles will distract from the thing they should actually learn.... playing music for people.

I've given DJ workshops to kids and I teach that the foundation of DJ-ing is not about mixing, working with turntables or pushing every button on a controller, its about the joy of entertaining others with your music whatever that may be. Its about developing a taste, learning music and knowing to entertain. Mixing is secondary and needs time to develop.

As to the Vinyl vs controller discussion.. any moron can line up beats on a turntable and good mixing is not about the ability to do that. The challenge is aligning the patterns, predicting when to fill in, mind harmonics, energy, etc etc. All that is of equal challenge on turntables or controllers.
 
groovindj wrote :
A Man and His Music wrote :
You do need to ever touch a turntable


You're missing a vital word there, I think.


Thanks. After further review, I decide to change it.
 
Saying a beginner needs to learn on turn tables is like the United States Air Force saying they need to start cadets in bi-planes from WW I. While Oswald Boelcke's teachings from 1916 are still valid, that's because the fundamentals are sound. The tool itself is not as important as the fundamentals. Beat counting. Knowing your music. Waiting for the break. Reading the room. Those are the tools DJs need to succeed. Not CDJs and turn tables.
 
TearEmUp wrote :
The tool itself is not as important as the fundamentals. Beat counting. Knowing your music. Waiting for the break. Reading the room. Those are the tools DJs need to succeed. Not CDJs and turn tables.


Tools are just that Tools. Wether they be turntable controller cdj ect. My point is this THE KID IS TEN YEARS OLD. And yet some on here think "Start on TT's". I have been in this Racket for (UGH) 30 YEARS!!!! I started on TT's and then cds so on and so on. The general point is the KID IS TEN YEARS OLD.

Get him a Decent controller to learn the basics. He may get discouraged and drop the whole thing,(I never ceases to amaze me woth this younger generation if the fail at first they DO NOT try try again). The youth of today stay interested with something if they see they can accomplish something. Rick we saw that in AC. Look at all the KIDS that where there. Working controllers and CDJS .... do they all have 1200's in their rooms, Probably not but they got an ipod a laptop or ipad with a dj mixing program(VDJ??) and have practiced at home. Their folks are DJs so they are learning and some of them I am ashamed to say could put quite a few of us to shame.

I had the same problem. My 12 yr old grandson wanted to learn. WHen he would come over he would watch me rehearse and I mean REALLY watch and ask questions. As time and visits went on would catch him taking notes counting beats and I would purposely make a few mistakes to see if he caught them not hidden kinda out there for him to pick up on. He did made some suggestions (which I would have done in the first place). then I would let him behind the controller and to see if he learned his lessons.

I eventually gave him a spare laptop that I had and a Hercules 4 mx. He would come down and practice. I would track a tune and he had to count the beats. No he didn't look at a screen I had them copied onto a cd. he learned to beat mix BY EAR ... In July of last year at the end of summer camp they had a talent show. He DJ'd nothing long, a quick 15 minute set. Afterwhich the lead counselor asked how he learned to do this. He said I had taught him. They wanted him to play a family picnic but unfortunately he couldn't we where in AC that weekend prior to expo. They have asked if I would come out this year and teach the kids.

Again TURNTABLES are TOOLS of the craft. Give the kid a controller but teach him as well and not get into staring at the screen, relying and HOPING beat counter is right, TEACH HIM THE ART of BEING A DJ. It is an ARt and a craft that takes a LIFETIME to master and I am still learning after 30 years in this game.
 
i like the herc but it has no cds... i dont want the kid to rely on programs yet... he has alot to learn...
ill be teaching him the basic... i can push him to a mate that teachers kids to dj with cds or vinyl. he is a well known dj in adelaide.


thanks guys with all your help
 
Se everybody fronting on turntables as a start point. Maybe its just me, and im also a hiphop dj but for what i do turntables are a must because i still juggle and scratch alot so practice my scratches and juggles it must be turntables. Now if i was just mixing songs together cool but im an all around dj and practicing on turntables makes me that much better on a controller. I will always advise any new dj to start on turntables or any dj for that matter. Thats just my opinion...but if your focus is just house type music then i guess it wouldn't matter when we do house(edm) parties its always controllers and most mobile gigs but when we do HipHop functions its always turntables when i say hiphop i dont mean nicki minaj or 2chains garbage. I mean breakbeats, late 70s funk, classic R&B. In my house i still practice on original vinyl just to keep my timing on point. But once again thats just me, i come from the "battle and show and prove you deserve to be called a dj" days. I just think a different way. And feel ill eat you controller djs up...sorry flashback.
 
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