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Why dont virtual dj have promo videos of djs doing routines? just asking, because i can watch serato dj, traktor and mixvibes doing videos with djs scratching and cutting it up mixing but not vdj. just wondering/
 
Mensajes Sun 02 Feb 14 @ 12:53 pm
I have 2 hours 20 odd minutes of video uploaded on to youtube of footage shot since we started using virtual dj. we DON'T SCRATCH, we don't even use turntables. I will straight up say it: WE CLICKY AND WE KNOW IT.

we don't stare at a screen all night because we have it set up so we can spend more time looking at and reading the crowd.

this was last night



and so was this



Friday night:





want video too? I have some short clips from Friday I still have to upload...

there are two of us there as dj's and the other guy loves his turntables and he has that other software you seem to be such a proponent of. his feedback on using VDJ on his technics? hardly a difference once you know what you are doing.

are there videos of people using VDJ on youtube at the shows? yes.

does VDJ NEED to have videos uploaded from the shows when there are so many working dj's uploading their own?

makes me wonder.
 
They do have videos but most of them are demoing new products. I've posted many here in the forums.

Just cause Q Bert uses Traktor doesn't mean I want to use it. The fact is that most of the videos out are only out to show off the potential of the software. Most people don't even push the limits of any software. You have beginners, the daily users and then the pros.
 
wildcountryclub wrote :
does VDJ NEED to have videos uploaded from the shows when there are so many working dj's uploading their own?


Yes.

Because people associate successful products with successful people.

How can Virtual DJ convince new DJ's and learning DJ's that their product is the best when they can't show any renowned DJ's using it?

Serato was designed for scratch DJ's, and it's no coincidence that the best scratch and hip-hop DJ's in the world use Serato. Up and coming scratch DJ's see their idols doing things with Serato that they want to emulate, so they buy Serato and try to emulate them.

Disclaimer: I use and love Virtual DJ. I think it's a great product that could beat the competition. But it's marketing is terrible.
 
So you're saying people can't make their own decisions based on their needs?

Instead they decide what software to buy based on what "big name DJs" they saw using it (who've probably been paid to do that)?

I guess you might get a few youngsters doing that, the same way that kids want toys because of a TV show or ad. IMO though, adults usually have a bit more common sense.


Do you really go out and buy stuff because you saw a commercial on TV where your favourite celebrity was using it?! :-O
 
djnanite wrote :
wildcountryclub wrote :
does VDJ NEED to have videos uploaded from the shows when there are so many working dj's uploading their own?


Yes.

Because people associate successful products with successful people.

How can Virtual DJ convince new DJ's and learning DJ's that their product is the best when they can't show any renowned DJ's using it?

Serato was designed for scratch DJ's, and it's no coincidence that the best scratch and hip-hop DJ's in the world use Serato. Up and coming scratch DJ's see their idols doing things with Serato that they want to emulate, so they buy Serato and try to emulate them.

Disclaimer: I use and love Virtual DJ. I think it's a great product that could beat the competition. But it's marketing is terrible.


guess i'm not successful then?

which renowned dj's? none of these guys are renowned? http://www.virtualdj.com/djs/index.html

I don't need to comment on scratching because I don't do it and my customers would actually like to hear the music being played when its time for dance/hip-hop/rap/edm/latin. yes, I play in a country bar and I STILL have to be able to mix and play everything and we run video all night every night. side by side comparison of the dj's today who actually want to learn to scratch vs dj's who want to be professionals and do it for a living i'd like to see data on.

I won't speak for their marketing practices except to say "i don't care". it's their business.
 
so again we discuss about, " things will be in the future as they were in the past".
it is not the first time that an outstanding product make "famous" people curious. So why dont we wait and see the reactions of the people when V8 is released...
 
groovindj wrote :
So you're saying people can't make their own decisions based on their needs?

I'm saying people can't make accurate decisions when they (1) don't know what their needs are (i.e. novice DJ's), and (2) don't know what the product is capable of doing (because there are no good demonstrations).

groovindj wrote :
Instead they decide what software to buy based on what "big name DJs" they saw using it (who've probably been paid to do that)?

Or, more likely, they have seen their favourite DJ's at gigs, concerts, festivals, videos shared on YouTube, Facebook, etc... doing completely amazing stuff that they also want to do themselves, and have noticed that they are always using Serato.

groovindj wrote :
I guess you might get a few youngsters doing that, the same way that kids want toys because of a TV show or ad. IMO though, adults usually have a bit more common sense.

You have a biased perception of people based on your own personal experience. You *assume* that because you are an experienced DJ with common sense that everyone else is. But you are wrong. Just because someone who wants to get into DJ-ing doesn't know which is the better product doesn't mean they lack common sense - it means they lack the knowledge and experience to make an informed decision.

This is where a good marketing team is essential.

groovindj wrote :
Do you really go out and buy stuff because you saw a commercial on TV where your favourite celebrity was using it?! :-O

Do you really think that is the only way to advertise a product these days? :-O

Michael Schumacher was an incredibly talented driver who won race after race in a Ferrari. What as the reason for his success? Was it all his own talent, or do you think the engineering team behind the car may have also been a contributing factor?

If you wanted to be a top F1 driver, and you had a choice of driving any car, but you didn't know where to start, wouldn't you start by looking at the most successful driver/car combination and take it from there...?

wildcountryclub wrote :
guess i'm not successful then?

And where did I say that exactly? Are you a DJ with enough worldwide recognition that you tour the world and do gigs and festivals? Do you get top billing? Do you think your name is well known enough to be listed on the list of renowned DJ's on Virtual DJ's list of DJ's? Have you contacted Virtual DJ to get your name added?

wildcountryclub wrote :
which renowned dj's? none of these guys are renowned? http://www.virtualdj.com/djs/index.html

That page has not been updated for at least 7 years. I seriously doubt any of those DJ's are even still using Virtual Vinyl these days. One of the pictures doesn't even load on that page any more (Alex G), which only contributes to the neglected feel of this product.

wildcountryclub wrote :
I won't speak for their marketing practices except to say "i don't care". it's their business.

OK, but there are lots of people who *do* care about a product's marketing. Especially for new DJ's.
 
djnanite wrote :
they (1) don't know what their needs are (2) don't know what the product is capable of doing

I'd suggest that's what trial (or free in the case of VDJ) versions are for. They can try the software out, see if they like the way it works and decide whether they prefer that or another program.

There are plenty of ways of getting the info needed to make an informed decision about software (or hardware) choice, other than seeing a video of [big name DJ] using [product name].

Maybe you think that's what the world's come to now - "I bought it coz I saw a YouTube video". I don't think so though. I think there are still people out there who do read up on things, ask experts, try things out for themselves, form their own opinion.

Why is it that you think [famous person] has to be seen using it, for it to be credible?

It shouldn't matter. What should matter is whether the potential customer likes the software or not.
 
Here is my take on it.

Why does Virtual DJ need to pay someone to use their product?

If Virtual DJ works, which it works flawlessly for the most part, and the DJ's out there using it are making money and keeping the crowds moving then my ?
is why is it even needed?

I would like to think that Atomix is using its money not in marketing but trying to make the best darn close to bullet proof software it can.

Which even with my grips about V. 8 not being released yet with just a bunch of teasers here or there. That is great and all. But, I think I rather wait for a solid version of the software to come out.

I am using a Stanton SCS 1 system? Maybe I could be a beta tester *wink* wink* (although I won't get invited) I am too hyper critical of everything so they won't extend that offer to me.

None the less, Atomix has demonstrated to me at least with the announcement of V8 a long time ago, that they are holding off on releasing it until they are sure they are content with their software, via lots of programming and real life beta testing before they release a program to the General Masses. Even with grips from people like me they are making sure that they release a solid product.

So what does any of this have to do with why isn't there a "famous DJ" demoing the VDJ product via video? Well frankly its probably because they are using their resources in the way that they see fit. Making a Brand new software.

Again I could care less what other DJ's or critics think about what software I am using. If it works it works! If it produces results it produces results. I am sure that every pro user can say that Virtual DJ produces the results needed and then some.
 
djmike001 wrote :
Here is my take on it.

Why does Virtual DJ need to pay someone to use their product?

If Virtual DJ works, which it works flawlessly for the most part, and the DJ's out there using it are making money and keeping the crowds moving then my ?
is why is it even needed?

I would like to think that Atomix is using its money not in marketing but trying to make the best darn close to bullet proof software it can.

Which even with my grips about V. 8 not being released yet with just a bunch of teasers here or there. That is great and all. But, I think I rather wait for a solid version of the software to come out. Than have to constantly worrying will this work? How do I fix this bug? Is there a work around until they release a new patch? I rather not have to grip or beg for a fix here or there. I rather it just work!

I am using a Stanton SCS 1 system? Maybe I could be a beta tester *wink* wink* (although I won't get invited) I am too hyper critical of everything so they won't extend that offer to me.

None the less, Atomix has demonstrated to me at least with the announcement of V8 a long time ago, that they are holding off on releasing it until they are sure they are content with their software, via lots of programming and real life beta testing before they release a program to the General Masses. Even with grips from people like me they are making sure that they release a solid product.

So what does any of this have to do with why isn't there a "famous DJ" demoing the VDJ product via video? Well frankly its probably because they are using their resources in the way that they see fit. Making a Brand new rock solid software.

Again I could care less what other DJ's or critics think about what software I am using. If it works it works! If it produces results it produces results. I am sure that every pro user can say that Virtual DJ produces the results needed and then some.


Okay well I messed up on editing and Clicked the quote instead. Sorry everyone :(
 
And another repeat thread on how to run a business, seems to me people only ask to have well known djs endorse a product only for said endorsement to validate their own choice of software to the world that it was the right one.

If your embarrassed by your choice of VDJ and need a "star" to promote the software you chose, then your self confidence needs a lot of help.
 
groovindj wrote :
Why is it that you think [famous person] has to be seen using it, for it to be credible?

When people are leaders in their field of expertise, their followers look up to them, and assume they know a lot about their craft because of their accumulated experience and knowledge. Rightly or wrongly, people recognise that [famous person] is famous for their great skill, knowledge, and/or experience. If you are someone with limited skill, knowledge, and/or experience then you tend to look at [famous person] for guidance.

Sure, you can spend weeks, months or years learning your craft, trying out all different DJ programmes, learning their ins and outs, and finally settling on one that allows you to do everything you want exactly how you want. But for those of us with limited time and experience, you take the shortcut of using the product that your role model uses, because if it's good enough for [famous person], then it'll be good enough for you.

Why do you think products all over the world are marketed by famous people? Just because one product is functionally identical to another, doesn't necessarily mean it's desirable. A Casio watch keeps time every bit as well as an Omega, but which would you prefer to own...?

groovindj wrote :
It shouldn't matter. What should matter is whether the potential customer likes the software or not.

Except that you're assuming the potential customer even *knows* of the product's existence in the first place. That's why products need advertising, marketing teams and sales people. Right now, it feels like Virtual DJ has none of those things.
 
The problem with "celebrity following" is that the more famous they are, the more likely it is that they've been given [product] for free and are only using it because it didn't cost them anything, not because they have any real interest in it.

djnanite wrote :
A Casio watch keeps time every bit as well as an Omega, but which would you prefer to own...?

A Casio! And no I'm not just saying that for effect. I don't buy expensive watches. I think it's a waste of money to buy a big brand when (as you say) the cheaper one keeps time too. I have a Casio WR50M and two others of similar spec/cost.

As for advertising, VDJ seems to be doing just fine without celebrity endorsement. Over 100 million downloads without wasting $3m hiring Matt Damon for 20 seconds (ref: Nespresso commercial). I'd rather see Atomix spend the $3m on improving the software.

Maybe you've forgotten the Acer ad with Tiesto. Did Atomix pay Tiesto or Did Acer pay Atomix?
 
Just look at the fiasco with Alicia Keys and BlackBerry. Money down the drain and all that endorsement did was cause the company embarrassment.

This website is well, well out of date, but a refresh of that will achieve far more than getting celebrities involved and paying money for nothing.
 
groovindj wrote :
The problem with "celebrity following" is that the more famous they are, the more likely it is that they've been given [product] for free and are only using it because it didn't cost them anything, not because they have any real interest in it.

But when you actually see a DJ touring on the festival circuit, or in a club, and he gets top billing on the list, and you see him using Serato...? Not actively endorsing it - just actually using it. To do amazing things.

Do you seriously think that is in the same league as Matt Damon endorsing coffee?

groovindj wrote :
djnanite wrote :
A Casio watch keeps time every bit as well as an Omega, but which would you prefer to own...?

A Casio! And no I'm not just saying that for effect. I don't buy expensive watches. I think it's a waste of money to buy a big brand when (as you say) the cheaper one keeps time too. I have a Casio WR50M and two others of similar spec/cost.


Ah, jeez - I don't know then. I've run out of analogies now.

Look, more power to you and all that, but I hope you realise that you are very much in the minority with that opinion. There's a market for people like you, but it's small.

groovindj wrote :
As for advertising, VDJ seems to be doing just fine without celebrity endorsement. Over 100 million downloads without wasting $3m hiring Matt Damon for 20 seconds (ref: Nespresso commercial).

Yea...about that 100 million downloads thing. Seems a bit high doesn't it? They were very light on the details of those downloads.

How many of them were trial downloads?
How many of them were repeat downloads?
How many of them were automated downloads from crawler bots?

I've been developing websites for over 10 years, and I know how to massage the numbers too.

What I would really like to see is how many actual registered licensed users have downloaded Virtual DJ. That would be a far better indication of it's success.

groovindj wrote :
I'd rather see Atomix spend the $3m on improving the software.


I actually agree with you on that. If they have enough money to spend on development instead of marketing, then that's great. When the product is released, if it's as good as I think it will be, then marketing it should be easy and they will be hugely successful. I hope it works out that way for them.

groovindj wrote :
Maybe you've forgotten the Acer ad with Tiesto. Did Atomix pay Tiesto or Did Acer pay Atomix?

I've never seen the advert. I don't really watch TV.
 
VDJ does things differently to the other two main players, I think it has wound us all up at some point as people think they could make more of it and it seems a shame.

Thing is VDJ does it's own thing, their not bothered about competing with serato and traktor, it's a user base software and it ticks away steadily and thats really about it.

This software gets the job done.
 
I think im a fan of djs and i consider myself a scratch dj...so i do look at what jazzy jeff uses i do listen and watch qbert videos to practice those scratches. It seems in here scratch djs are not around...well we are rather a lower count. so when an aspiring scratch hiphop dj is looking through these forum we are deterred from purchasing it. Virtual dj has the rep of being a bedroom djs or controllerist software and not to be considered as professional. I tell all my friends about vdj first thing they say is im check to see if any videos...then all they see is serato, i think iwould want to give VDJ a better visual other than what it has now. I would love to see qbert do a routine on VDJ then i would believe it was me and not the timecode response. but once again from what i get if you wanna scratch get serato if you just mixing one song into another stay with virtual dj. But i dont think i should be made to think like that from the community. but once again just my thinking.
 
sorry to tell you ratedX.. but it's you. VDJ's response is fine. I can get as fast as scribbles and have no ill effects and you only get sticker drift when your needle bounces out of the groove, you just need to be a little more careful and find the medium between soft touch and fast movement and don't tap the record when you put your hand on it.

The other thing you can do is make your needle angle 90 degrees from the tonearm pivot, if that fails put some weight on the cartridge.
 
i know im not qbert but if i take peter piper 12s and rip it more on point than when i do its not so tight..maybe its my settings...
 
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