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Tema: Denon MC4000 Level Gains Not Working Properly ???

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the problem i'm having is when i load up a song the (gain level is at 9 or 10 position) so my songs will not to go into the red on the level meters. well if i turn it up or down it has no effect on the Volume. like the nob is not working. through testing i found out if i start at the (12 position) then turn the nob level up or down then the sound also goes up or down. like its supposed to. kind of hard to explain. but say i as long as i start with the settings in the 12 position the level volume works (but) my meter led's are in the red. so i exit out of vdj set gain levels to like 8,9,10 then turn vdj back on. and turn the nob up or down the volume will not change until i go past the 12 position ? very very frustrating
 

Mensajes Sun 01 Nov 15 @ 6:51 pm
Yes, the gain knob (on the skins) defaults to centre now - since VDJ 8 came out.

It can be disabled though, in config/settings.

Same with the way the controller knobs "catch up" to the skin knobs. It can be changed in config/settings.
 

Mensajes Sun 01 Nov 15 @ 7:01 pm
That's the way it's supposed to work, I think. I don't own this controller, so do not know all of it's functions. I do own the 6000, which I have functioning as a mixer, so the gain does not show or affect the software gain. On the other hand, my RMX2 functions as you stated. The 12 o'clock position, is the engaging point that must be passed to engage the software gain (hope that came out right). Even if you load a track, and it's at 1 or 2 o'clock, it is not engaged, you have to move it pass 12, to engage the function. It will now control the gain of the software. The pitch works the same way, incase either of these have been moved in transit. Most o the time I don't have to touch it, because my tracks have been set at 0db. Unfortunately, not all of my tracks were set that way.
 

Mensajes Sun 01 Nov 15 @ 7:13 pm
thanx for the advise/info on facebook on the VDJ group one dj answered & fixed my problem.
this is what he said to do = Go into 'options/controllers' and look for 'controller take over mode'. Set this to instant.
 

Mensajes Sun 01 Nov 15 @ 7:50 pm
djdadPRO InfinityDevelopment ManagerMember since 2005
you re doing that in the wrong way. You should leave the option to default (pickup) instead of instant.
Reason is because you could get an instant "drop/change" on all faders, not just the Gain and Volumes. e.g. you press SYNC and then try to slightly touch the pitch fader (or even move by its own with a single faulty MIDI message).
The pickup setting ensures what we call "soft-takeover"

As for the Gain, if you constantly need to have your tracks at e.g. -3db and have more "headroom", i would suggest to change the zeroDB setting
 

Mensajes Mon 02 Nov 15 @ 5:32 pm
djdad wrote :
you re doing that in the wrong way. You should leave the option to default (pickup) instead of instant.
Reason is because you could get an instant "drop/change" on all faders, not just the Gain and Volumes. e.g. you press SYNC and then try to slightly touch the pitch fader (or even move by its own with a single faulty MIDI message).
The pickup setting ensures what we call "soft-takeover"

As for the Gain, if you constantly need to have your tracks at e.g. -3db and have more "headroom", i would suggest to change the zeroDB setting


thanx DJdad you always give good advice & have helped me in the past so set it back to pickup & go into options/audio/zeroDB and set it to what ? its not that i need my tracks at -3db its just if the gains are at say 10 or 11 position the meters are in the red full . its not till i turn it past the 12 position. then i can lower the gain. so i thought hell just leave it at 12 but then its always in the red :-(
 

Mensajes Mon 02 Nov 15 @ 6:02 pm
-6 works well with most music for me
 

Mensajes Mon 02 Nov 15 @ 7:09 pm
djtyme209 wrote :
[quote=djdad] its just if the gains are at say 10 or 11 position the meters are in the red full . its not till i turn it past the 12 position. then i can lower the gain. so i thought hell just leave it at 12 but then its always in the red :-(


As stated before, if you are in the default mode of soft takeover, and your knobs are at 10 or 11, and you are still in the red, your tracks have been gained to high. The position of the knobs means nothing at this point, they are not in play. If they were at 3 o'clock, they are not in play, until you go back to 12. If all of your tracks are this hot, then you need to lower the db not raise them.
 

Mensajes Mon 02 Nov 15 @ 8:10 pm
djdadPRO InfinityDevelopment ManagerMember since 2005
Just try -3 or -6 for the zeroDB and also make sure the autoGain is on Auto
Then you wont have to worry about going into the red-zone anymore ;)
 

Mensajes Mon 02 Nov 15 @ 10:59 pm
djdad wrote :
Just try -3 or -6 for the zeroDB and also make sure the autoGain is on Auto
Then you wont have to worry about going into the red-zone anymore ;)


Thanx i'll try that when I get off work.
 

Mensajes Tue 03 Nov 15 @ 1:11 am
djdad wrote :
Just try -3 or -6 for the zeroDB and also make sure the autoGain is on Auto
Then you wont have to worry about going into the red-zone anymore ;)


Thanx for the help but quick question. Though. Once I get my denons sc3900 up & running which is my main set up (I bought the mc4000) to get me by till I fix the denon problem.since I'm changing thinsgs to -3 & or -6 its gonna effect how my sound is once I go back to my denon set up
 

Mensajes Tue 03 Nov 15 @ 1:57 am
dcomoPRO InfinityMember since 2012
It won't... All that is doing is forcing your MaxDB (loudness) setting down a bit. (It's like throwing attenuation on the signal to reduce the DB.)

If you find that you are not getting enough gain, simply change the -6 to -3, or to 0.
 

Mensajes Tue 03 Nov 15 @ 4:51 am
dcomo wrote :
It won't... All that is doing is forcing your MaxDB (loudness) setting down a bit. (It's like throwing attenuation on the signal to reduce the DB.)

If you find that you are not getting enough gain, simply change the -6 to -3, or to 0.


Thanx
 

Mensajes Tue 03 Nov 15 @ 5:03 am
groovindj wrote :
Yes, the gain knob (on the skins) defaults to centre now - since VDJ 8 came out.

It can be disabled though, in config/settings.

Same with the way the controller knobs "catch up" to the skin knobs. It can be changed in config/settings.


can you direct me to where i change the (Yes, the gain knob (on the skins) defaults to centre now - since VDJ 8 came out) so i wont have to worry about it being at center/12 o'clock thank you for your tyme
 

Mensajes Tue 03 Nov 15 @ 3:58 pm


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