jimspinnin
I hope that cocky Mayweather gets hurt BAD!!!
Mensajes Sun 09 Dec 07 @ 1:44 pm
jimmy b
He will Jim,
I don't like him, but he is a great Boxer and you can't take that away from him.
One day and I hope it will be soon someone will hurt him.
Jimmy b
Mensajes Sun 09 Dec 07 @ 1:49 pm
A Man and His Music
jimspinnin wrote :
I hope that cocky Mayweather gets hurt BAD!!!
Cocky??? That is a word used by haters, and is a very negative term. I try to look at it in a different light. I would say " he seems to be a very confident man", and he is entitled to that confidence. He has backed up every word that has come out of his mouth. I would even say he is over the top, but that is part of the game of boxing, and again, he has backed up his word. This is not some team sport. This man knows his abilities, and the abilities of his opponent. He has trained for each opponent put before him, and defeated them. This was supposed to be a real test for Floyd, but ended up looking like a sparring match. Hatton gave it his best shot, but it was clear, he was outclassed. Now I know some of you wish that he "gets hurt bad"some day. However, today is not the day. I am glad Ricky's corner, stopped him from getting hurt, because none of us want that. Mayweather is great at what he does, so let's give Floyd the credit he is due.
Now, have you ever heard Ricky speak? Would you call him cocky, or confident? I wonder how confident he feels this morning?
Mensajes Sun 09 Dec 07 @ 2:31 pm
A Man and His Music
jimmy b wrote :
He will Jim,
I don't like him, but he is a great Boxer and you can't take that away from him.
One day and I hope it will be soon someone will hurt him.
Jimmy b
He will Jim,
I don't like him, but he is a great Boxer and you can't take that away from him.
One day and I hope it will be soon someone will hurt him.
Jimmy b
I like the honesty of your post. You don't like him, and you want to see him get hurt. I respect that, because at least you acknowledge his skills.
Mensajes Sun 09 Dec 07 @ 2:39 pm
Muelus
The match was fixed..the referee should never ref a boxing match again. it was appauling.
Mensajes Mon 10 Dec 07 @ 1:13 pm
Bren F
True about the Ref, can't call whether it was a fix or not though.
Mensajes Mon 10 Dec 07 @ 1:20 pm
Muelus
Im sure the the ref was getting payed. everytime hatton was doing damage the ref was straight in...oi ..no hatton your not aloud to punch him. Tickling only please
Mensajes Mon 10 Dec 07 @ 1:38 pm
A Man and His Music
Muelus wrote :
Im sure the the ref was getting payed. everytime hatton was doing damage the ref was straight in...oi ..no hatton your not aloud to punch him. Tickling only please
Was it the ref that hit Ricky from every angle known to man, over and over again? Ricky is a great fighter, and has only lost one fight. Is it possible that Floyd Mayweather is just a better fighter? Is that possible?
I have not even seen the whole fight yet, so I will not comment on the accusation of a fix. After I see the whole fight, I will let you know if your comments have any merit, or if it's just sour grapes. I will also look at the reports by as many sports writers as I can, to see what they say. I will also listen to Ricky and his corner, to see what they say. This way, I will be able to make an informed judgement.
Mensajes Mon 10 Dec 07 @ 1:58 pm
Bren F
When Ricky was Interviewed by the Sky Sports (straight after his "after fight interview"), the first question was, "Did it seem to you that the Ref was on mayweather's side? And Ricky replied that it did seem that way.
For instance, Ricky struck Maywheather on the back of the head and got a point deducted, when Maywheather did the same no points were deducted, also Rickys cut was caused by an elbow, again no points deducted, generally (and especialliy) in the early rounds the Ref was jumping in everytime hatton had maywheather in range.
I was disapointed, if the ref had been different I think the fight would have been more balanced, but ultimately Ricky had an off night against the best pound for pound boxer in the world, and that was never going to win the fight, he looked very nervous before the fight.
If Ricky proved anything though, it's that he's as tough as nails to take the amount of shots that he did before going down, and very brave to chase Maywheather for tens rounds, he was walking into a blizzared of shots just to get into range (with Maywheather having a much greater reach and being 2 inches taller), he got a lot of respect for that but ultimately he wasn't getting any shots off which raises questions about the whole fight.
For instance, Ricky struck Maywheather on the back of the head and got a point deducted, when Maywheather did the same no points were deducted, also Rickys cut was caused by an elbow, again no points deducted, generally (and especialliy) in the early rounds the Ref was jumping in everytime hatton had maywheather in range.
I was disapointed, if the ref had been different I think the fight would have been more balanced, but ultimately Ricky had an off night against the best pound for pound boxer in the world, and that was never going to win the fight, he looked very nervous before the fight.
If Ricky proved anything though, it's that he's as tough as nails to take the amount of shots that he did before going down, and very brave to chase Maywheather for tens rounds, he was walking into a blizzared of shots just to get into range (with Maywheather having a much greater reach and being 2 inches taller), he got a lot of respect for that but ultimately he wasn't getting any shots off which raises questions about the whole fight.
Mensajes Mon 10 Dec 07 @ 2:50 pm
A Man and His Music
I decided to take a look at what they were saying across the pond. This is the first article I came across. Some of you may know this guy, as I don't have a clue.
Talent trumps hype as Hitman's bandwagon stalls
Media hysteria made the public believe in an outcome that was never going to happen
John Rawling December 10, 2007 12:00 AM
Has ever a fight drawn more coverage in the British media than Floyd Mayweather Jr versus Ricky Hatton? Having worked on both Frank Bruno-Mike Tyson heavyweight title fights I can say they did not outrank it, and Lennox Lewis-Tyson certainly didn't. Nor did the hype surrounding the Chris Eubank and Nigel Benn confrontations equal that promoting the skirmish here in Las Vegas.
Those old enough tell me Randy Turpin and Sugar Ray Robinson in 1951 was pretty special, when questions were raised in the House of Commons after the BBC Radio commentary team of Raymond Glendenning and Barrington Dalby led listeners to believe that Robinson was winning their epic fight at London's Earl's Court only for Turpin to have his arm raised after one of the greatest upsets of them all. The public, I am told, was outraged to have been given a duff call.
So I wonder if similar questions will be raised after the country was encouraged to buy into the myth that Hatton was about to beat Mayweather, a fighter who anyone with a proper knowledge of boxing had to acknowledge was a class above brave and lovable Ricky. Yet record pay-per-view figures for Sky Box Office are apparently a distinct possibility and bookies were expecting more money to be wagered on Hatton than for any previous boxing contest.
Reading the newspapers, with the tabloids in particular having developed an insatiable appetite for all matters Hatton in recent months, it did seem that all sense of perspective had been lost as Hatton's sub-Bernard Manning cheeky-chappy observations were gleefully reported and Mayweather routinely depicted as the bad guy, with scarcely a reference to his considerable abilities.
And then there is the part played by Sky itself, which effectively surrendered a substantial chunk of its award-winning programming on Sky News on Saturday for what was a thinly disguised advert for the £14.95 a pop required for fans to watch the fight. We had interviews with punters and fans in pubs, on the streets, in the casinos, on Las Vegas Boulevard. And hey, guess what ... the big news was that Joe Public wanted the "Hitman" to win.
We allow ourselves to be sucked into an almost xenophobic belief that England should have a team full of world-class footballers capable of winning the World Cup. No matter that England have been rubbish for the larger portion of living memory, it won't stop the bandwagon starting up again once the qualifiers begin for 2010. And, when the team fail, it's the manager's fault.
Why do we fall for it again and again? Perhaps it is because a cheerleading media ultimately stifles rational thought. And it occurs to me that this is what happened with the Hatton fight. If you read often enough that Hatton will prevail, and that Mayweather will not handle the heat, you begin to believe it. Especially if you have not actually seen Mayweather fight.
And so it was on Saturday night in Las Vegas that football standards reached the MGM Grand as Hatton's hordes booed and whistled through the American national anthem, then jeered the introductions for one of the best fighters the sport has seen. Across the UK so many more watched at home, or in clubs and pubs, believing their bets on Hatton were about to pay off.
Except it was never going to happen. Or, at least, it was highly unlikely. Hatton had been backed in to as short as 11-8 against winning the fight, a nonsensical price considering that the Mancunian was up against a fighter who has operated on a higher plane for years. The truth is that Mayweather is a modern great and that Hatton is very good but simply not at that level. But it doesn't sell papers or boost pay-per-view sales, so let's find a piece of carpet under which the facts can be conveniently swept until, come fight time, they jump out and metaphorically - or literally in Hatton's case - dump you on your backside. Not that it matters then, because the sale has been made.
The deciding factors Where the fight was won and lost
Defence
For all the pressure Hatton applied he did not land a single shot that put Mayweather in trouble. The champion gave a masterclass in blocking and spoiling the shots that had carried Hatton to victory in his previous 43 contests. Consequently the promised onslaught on the champion's body never happened and 'Pretty Boy' was facially unmarked after the fight, only a handful of Hatton's punches having found the target. By contrast Hatton's defence, reflexes and lateral movement were found wanting as he was unable to avoid the head shots which were his eventual undoing.
Mental strength
Hatton seemed overhyped and tense. By his own admission he did not stick to the game plan and got carried away with trying to reduce the contest to a bar-room brawl. Already struggling and behind on points, he needlessly gave away a point in the sixth for fouling - he aimed an illegal punch at the back of Mayweather's head after turning him through the ropes and, although the shot did not appear to land, risking the referee's displeasure was naive.
Technique
Mayweather was always likely to look the better technician when he was given space to put his shots together. His superior hand speed and accuracy were things Hatton realised he was unlikely to be able to match. But the bigger shock was that Mayweather looked every bit as effective at close quarters as Hatton, matching the challenger's rugged determination and brute force with his own neat moves and cute defence. The cumulative effect of Mayweather's more accurate work eventually wore Hatton down.
Resilience
Mayweather's defence is so sublime that his ability to take a shot is rarely called into question. But Hatton had believed he would be able to walk through Mayweather's best work to land his own power punches. Maybe he underestimated his opponent's power. As early as the fourth round Mayweather landed right hands flush in Hatton's face, making it clear the champion was no powderpuff puncher and that Hatton's chin would be tested. When he was staggered in the eighth, as Mayweather landed more big shots, Hatton's resilience was unravelling.
The referee
Hatton was probably dreaming when he pleaded before the fight for whoever refereed the contest to let the action flow at close quarters as he tried to disrupt Mayweather's rhythm. But Joe Cortez quickly made it clear he would stand for nothing that fell into the grey areas of legality under the Queensberry Rules. The holding and mauling that Hatton used to such good effect against Kostya Tszyu were declared beyond the boundary of acceptibility by the New York-born referee.
If you have the time, please read the comments, at the bottom of this column, from some of the average guys over there. It seems that not everyone in England, and other parts of the UK, think the fight was fixed. These comments seem to be very honest, and not biased. You decide. Look here.
Talent trumps hype as Hitman's bandwagon stalls
Media hysteria made the public believe in an outcome that was never going to happen
John Rawling December 10, 2007 12:00 AM
Has ever a fight drawn more coverage in the British media than Floyd Mayweather Jr versus Ricky Hatton? Having worked on both Frank Bruno-Mike Tyson heavyweight title fights I can say they did not outrank it, and Lennox Lewis-Tyson certainly didn't. Nor did the hype surrounding the Chris Eubank and Nigel Benn confrontations equal that promoting the skirmish here in Las Vegas.
Those old enough tell me Randy Turpin and Sugar Ray Robinson in 1951 was pretty special, when questions were raised in the House of Commons after the BBC Radio commentary team of Raymond Glendenning and Barrington Dalby led listeners to believe that Robinson was winning their epic fight at London's Earl's Court only for Turpin to have his arm raised after one of the greatest upsets of them all. The public, I am told, was outraged to have been given a duff call.
So I wonder if similar questions will be raised after the country was encouraged to buy into the myth that Hatton was about to beat Mayweather, a fighter who anyone with a proper knowledge of boxing had to acknowledge was a class above brave and lovable Ricky. Yet record pay-per-view figures for Sky Box Office are apparently a distinct possibility and bookies were expecting more money to be wagered on Hatton than for any previous boxing contest.
Reading the newspapers, with the tabloids in particular having developed an insatiable appetite for all matters Hatton in recent months, it did seem that all sense of perspective had been lost as Hatton's sub-Bernard Manning cheeky-chappy observations were gleefully reported and Mayweather routinely depicted as the bad guy, with scarcely a reference to his considerable abilities.
And then there is the part played by Sky itself, which effectively surrendered a substantial chunk of its award-winning programming on Sky News on Saturday for what was a thinly disguised advert for the £14.95 a pop required for fans to watch the fight. We had interviews with punters and fans in pubs, on the streets, in the casinos, on Las Vegas Boulevard. And hey, guess what ... the big news was that Joe Public wanted the "Hitman" to win.
We allow ourselves to be sucked into an almost xenophobic belief that England should have a team full of world-class footballers capable of winning the World Cup. No matter that England have been rubbish for the larger portion of living memory, it won't stop the bandwagon starting up again once the qualifiers begin for 2010. And, when the team fail, it's the manager's fault.
Why do we fall for it again and again? Perhaps it is because a cheerleading media ultimately stifles rational thought. And it occurs to me that this is what happened with the Hatton fight. If you read often enough that Hatton will prevail, and that Mayweather will not handle the heat, you begin to believe it. Especially if you have not actually seen Mayweather fight.
And so it was on Saturday night in Las Vegas that football standards reached the MGM Grand as Hatton's hordes booed and whistled through the American national anthem, then jeered the introductions for one of the best fighters the sport has seen. Across the UK so many more watched at home, or in clubs and pubs, believing their bets on Hatton were about to pay off.
Except it was never going to happen. Or, at least, it was highly unlikely. Hatton had been backed in to as short as 11-8 against winning the fight, a nonsensical price considering that the Mancunian was up against a fighter who has operated on a higher plane for years. The truth is that Mayweather is a modern great and that Hatton is very good but simply not at that level. But it doesn't sell papers or boost pay-per-view sales, so let's find a piece of carpet under which the facts can be conveniently swept until, come fight time, they jump out and metaphorically - or literally in Hatton's case - dump you on your backside. Not that it matters then, because the sale has been made.
The deciding factors Where the fight was won and lost
Defence
For all the pressure Hatton applied he did not land a single shot that put Mayweather in trouble. The champion gave a masterclass in blocking and spoiling the shots that had carried Hatton to victory in his previous 43 contests. Consequently the promised onslaught on the champion's body never happened and 'Pretty Boy' was facially unmarked after the fight, only a handful of Hatton's punches having found the target. By contrast Hatton's defence, reflexes and lateral movement were found wanting as he was unable to avoid the head shots which were his eventual undoing.
Mental strength
Hatton seemed overhyped and tense. By his own admission he did not stick to the game plan and got carried away with trying to reduce the contest to a bar-room brawl. Already struggling and behind on points, he needlessly gave away a point in the sixth for fouling - he aimed an illegal punch at the back of Mayweather's head after turning him through the ropes and, although the shot did not appear to land, risking the referee's displeasure was naive.
Technique
Mayweather was always likely to look the better technician when he was given space to put his shots together. His superior hand speed and accuracy were things Hatton realised he was unlikely to be able to match. But the bigger shock was that Mayweather looked every bit as effective at close quarters as Hatton, matching the challenger's rugged determination and brute force with his own neat moves and cute defence. The cumulative effect of Mayweather's more accurate work eventually wore Hatton down.
Resilience
Mayweather's defence is so sublime that his ability to take a shot is rarely called into question. But Hatton had believed he would be able to walk through Mayweather's best work to land his own power punches. Maybe he underestimated his opponent's power. As early as the fourth round Mayweather landed right hands flush in Hatton's face, making it clear the champion was no powderpuff puncher and that Hatton's chin would be tested. When he was staggered in the eighth, as Mayweather landed more big shots, Hatton's resilience was unravelling.
The referee
Hatton was probably dreaming when he pleaded before the fight for whoever refereed the contest to let the action flow at close quarters as he tried to disrupt Mayweather's rhythm. But Joe Cortez quickly made it clear he would stand for nothing that fell into the grey areas of legality under the Queensberry Rules. The holding and mauling that Hatton used to such good effect against Kostya Tszyu were declared beyond the boundary of acceptibility by the New York-born referee.
If you have the time, please read the comments, at the bottom of this column, from some of the average guys over there. It seems that not everyone in England, and other parts of the UK, think the fight was fixed. These comments seem to be very honest, and not biased. You decide. Look here.
Mensajes Mon 10 Dec 07 @ 5:47 pm