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Ok I tested the program out about a year ago and didnt have much luck with TCV. I have heard there been alot of improvements and I downloaded the trial you have up yesterday. I do have Numark Vinyls which i purchased a year ago when i initial tested the program. I am using technic 1200's, shure sc35c needles, and a edirol fa 66 soundcard. First of all it seems the TCV works alot better now but still have two issues. 1) My time code is never reading 100% even when just playing and no scratching. It does autoconfig but sets the gain up really high. I noticed some posts on here and I am not sure it should be that high. The time code signal is always jumping and most the time reads 0% but still controls the mp3. 2) The cues drift. I can set a cue do a few scratches and the cue isnt in the same spot. This could be caused by the first issue of not getting a good signal not sure.

I have been told that these issues were fixed but for some reason I am not getting the same results. My computer is a Toshiba with 1.2 gigs of ram, 1.4 processor so should do mp3's with no issues. I did run across a thread today that was about cartridges and how they affect things. Do you think my shure sc35c need to be upgraded or what could be causing the above issues. I have used Serato in the past but want to get into music video mixing and dont want to be tied to the ttm57.

 
Mensajes Thu 07 May 09 @ 9:19 am

I would defo get some new Stylus/Needles when setting up timecodes for the first time.

I use Stanton Discmaster's V3 at home and at the club, other ones that are worth a look are Ortofon Concorde Pro S, Ortofon Concorde Digitrack, Shure M447 and Shure Whitelabel (my next ones :) )

Hope that helps.
 
Ok I will try to get my hands on some Shure M44-7 and give it a test. So could bad needles lead to cue slips and bad signal?
 
djgbrown wrote :
So could bad needles lead to cue slips and bad signal?


The bad signal, Yes. The cue slips I don't know.
 
did you try and lower the inputs? the auto config in some cases do not do a great job. You might have to try tweaking your setting yourself.

try uploading a screenshot
 
I will try tweaking the settings tonight. Didnt get alot of time to use it yesterday. I will also upload screenshots of my settings and the image of the TCV signal view.
 
First image is TCV signal after I hit autoconfig in v4 then the next is in v5:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2258/autoconfig.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/8153/autoconfigv5.jpg

This image is of my performance settings:

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9374/performancesettings.jpg

And finally this is of where I see a problem with the Cue point sticking:

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/7837/cuesticking.jpg

If you look at the cue point when it reaches the diagonal bar that indicates the spot where the music comes in for some reason it will stick right there. So the record when i move it in reverse continues to move backwards but the cue point stops in place up in the waveform. So this causes my label cue to be off from where it first was. How do I correct this?
 
I would try checking software preamp and unchecking clear sound.
 
I have tried it with the clear sound unchecked as well. What do you mean "Check the software preamp"? where is that? Also is the cue sticking right there normal? who uses TCV for scratching and beat juggling with no issues?
 

You need 100% signal

Try adjust the silencer slider, and gain slider, until you have 100%
 
djgbrown wrote :


I do have Numark Vinyls which i purchased a year ago



Please also enter the serial for Numark VV here : http://www.virtualdj.com/users/edit.html
And make sure you have the latest version (free upgrade for registered users)
 
No i only have the TC vinyls. I dont have the whole package. I bought the vinyls a year ago at guitar center to test this program out but wasnt for me. I have been told there have been some updates and the program is alot better.

As far as 100% signal I dont get a steady reading. The signal jumps around from 0-100% never anything stable and thats even with no scratching involved just letting it play. I think upgrading my needles may help but what I am trying to figure out is if I upgrade my needles would this solve the "cue sticking"?

The cue sticking is my main concern. The controls work great even without a 100% reading. I am having no troubles manipulating the software at all I am impressed. I just would like to know is there something i have set up wrong which causes my cue point to freeze/pause right at the vertical line for just long enough to make my cue on my record off.

I dont know if I am explaining myself very well or not sorry.
 


What soundcard are you using?

And for scratching and jumping you need that 100%
Did you try manually adjust the sliders? Silence slider, gain slider? up and down?

The circle you posted images of, needs to be as perfect as possible..
 
Soundcard: edirol fa 66

I have played with some settings like the gain and silencer but not the TC up and TC down not sure what they are for. I have tried to get the best circle I can but this is about as good as it gets. I cant do anything right now am at work but will try to play around the settings a bit more tonight and also see about tring different needles. I still not so sure its the needles causeing the cue point sticking on the visual wave bar.
 
Did you connect stereo inputs to that soundcard?

I dont know it too well, but seems it only have 1 left/right phono-in (RCA)

How did you connect your turntables to that card?

If you select a different view than the circle, at timecode setup, do you get one green and one red wave? (you need this = stereo)

And if you are using two of the jacks (left right), also try invert stero setting in timecode settings config.

The soundcard is the "problem" here I think. Just need to make sure you are using it right :)
 
I noticed that the cue point within the software when it reaches the vertical line in the middle of the waveform display it will stick/pause for just a second. When it sticks/pauses for that brief second my record keeps turning which means that my cue marked on my record is no longer matched to the cue on the VDJ screen. You understand?


No the soundcard is good for this. I used quarter plugs to RCA adapters and connected the RCA's to the soundcards inputs. In the other views i do get the red and green wavy lines they are really high and i adjust them down with the gain slider. like i said i have no problems with scratching just the visual cue on my record if setup at 12:00 moves to like 1:00, 11:00 ect...
 

Ah, I see what you are saying. You have drift issues.

If you stop the timecode, is the track in vdj dead still?
And is the wave in timecode setup (line view) a dead still line?
If not adjust silencer.

And what mode are you using VDJ in?
For die hard scratching and cue marker, try absolute mode in VDJ timecode setting.

Also, some PCs might have better luck with the v4 timecode engine (soundcard related), so its worth giving that a shot (Drop down menu in VDJ timecode setting)

Lastly, make sure you have a few needed settings:
- Asio driver (but I'm pretty sure you do this)
- In VDJ performance tab, chosoe AUTO at the drop down for latency
- Try with clearsound (timecode settings) on and off... (some soundcards arent compatible)
- Use Low latency asio at VDJ soundcard settings
 
Yes drift issues. I also dont get 100% readings on my TCV which I thought may cause this.
I will adjust the silencer. The wave is still but every now and then jumps when I hold it still
which is what is causing the problem I guess.

I was using Relative mode thought that was the best option but will definetely try absolute
mode tonight.

I did see the different engines and tried v5 but for some reason it was alot worse.

I am using asio drivers but its probally been a year since i have updated those
where would be a good place to get the latest updates? Also should I have my buffer in
my soundcard settings set as low as possible would that help anything?

sorry for writing so much but I have a good feeling about the silencer maybe causing the issue.
cause like you said there is a slight movement/jerk when i stop the record or move the record fast
which is whats causing the issue.

is there a digram of what a good TCV setting is suppose to look like? Anyone have a screenshot?
 
ok i have changed quite a few settings but in the end still get sticker drifting. found this video on youtube of what i want to accomplish but for some reason cant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcxUHq0DVX0&feature=channel

whats his settings? lol I know its capable if he is doing it. I just need to figure out what component of my setup isnt allowing me to get this same result.
 
I think new stylus will sort the signal issue.
 
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