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I've noticed that vdj isn't good enough at beatmaching/sync function. At some point beats start to drift.I cant even fit them manualy.Not with every song though,just with couple of them.I think that he cant do the math corretly for every song,thats just the program failing,right? Any suggestions for precise beatmaching in vdj?
 
Mensajes Sun 15 Aug 10 @ 6:01 pm
Greetings,

You'll find that not all songs will beat match. And not all songs will loop properly.

To take control of this phenonoma I started tagging my loopable songs in a genre called "loopable" for quick reference. I created a filter for a quick link to those songs. If I want to get a little housey, or techo, and want to mix in or out with a loop, I now have a nice selection of songs that I know will work, all in one virtual location.

I would try this. Pick 2 songs that loop well, and then try beatmatching with those. Songs that don't loop well do not make good candidates for auto beat matching.

I haven't tried it yet, but there is a way to set mixpoints. Perhaps if you explore this option you will have more flexablility with more songs at show time.

Someday I'll start modifying the song's info display to include tags. For example: After "Artist-Title" I'll put in something like "Artist-Title-L-F" where "L" is for loopable of course, and "F" is for a fade out ending.

The extra work enables speed mixing. Which is cool at times. It depends on your crowd. Some like mashups others want to hear the song from front to back.


Good luck,

JimJamz
 
do a search in the forums :-)
your question has been asked many times, and their answers are out there :-)
 
The truth is out there! :)
Thanx Jimmy but that doesnt solve my problem.Any other sugestions?Dj from Norway maybe? :)
 
Many songs won't stay beatmatched because the tracks themselves don't have perfect tempo (in fact, this is the case with almost all non-electronic music.) Tracks will drift, so nudging or pitch bending tracks to keep them synced up is a necessary DJ skill no matter what gear or software you use. Sync and beatlock functions in DJ software are tools to assist and augment your abilities, not to serve as a crutch or to do your job for you.
 
jakeintox wrote :
Many songs won't stay beatmatched because the tracks themselves don't have perfect tempo (in fact, this is the case with almost all non-electronic music.) Tracks will drift, so nudging or pitch bending tracks to keep them synced up is a necessary DJ skill no matter what gear or software you use. Sync and beatlock functions in DJ software are tools to assist and augment your abilities, not to serve as a crutch or to do your job for you.


Well said jakeintox. I find the sync feature to be good to get the two tracks at the same approximate bpm quickly but then I adjust on the fly to keep the tracks in sync. If I let the software do all the work for me I think I would die of boredom.
 
And as has been said a zillion times before. Sync is not a replacement for the skills of a DJ. Yes I use sync, but I also nudge and bend to keep the tracks aligned during the mix.

DJ's that started mixing in the days before electronic music will always have the upper hand here.

If you are seriously only interested in mixing tracks with spot on beats, then I assume you re going to be house or trance DJ ;-)

Roy
 
Yap,i forgot to mention it. I like to mix trance :D
Those are the answers i was looking for, thx guys.
Here's another one: How does the speed or pitch or whatever of the song effects to its musical key?
 
moskri wrote :
How does the speed or pitch or whatever of the song effects to its musical key?



Short answer, Yes.

Huey
 
GadgetMan wrote :


DJ's that started mixing in the days before electronic music will always have the upper hand here.




Great
One of the perks of being one of the older DJs.

At last an advantage to being a bit older.

Andy
 
Indeed.... But I'm happy to say I'm still younger than a lot of the top class DJ's - Pete Tong etc...

LOL

Roy
 
Yes,i'm glad that you're chating here,BUT can somebody answer my second question?
 
moskri wrote :
Yes,i'm glad that you're chating here,BUT can somebody answer my second question?


I already did, "Short Answer Is YES it will effect the sound. If you speed it up the key of the song will change which means the sound of your song will change (chipmunk or super low)." So just use "Key Lock" and never try to mix songs that have more then say 5 beats per min difference.

Hope that makes sense
Huey
 
moskri wrote :
The truth is out there! :)
Thanx Jimmy but that doesnt solve my problem.Any other sugestions?Dj from Norway maybe? :)

moskri wrote :
Yap,i forgot to mention it. I like to mix trance :D
Those are the answers i was looking for, thx guys.
Here's another one: How does the speed or pitch or whatever of the song effects to its musical key?

moskri wrote :
Yes,i'm glad that you're chating here,BUT can somebody answer my second question?


1. Loose a little bit of your attitude in order to get better help...

2. Search for the answers on your questions because no-one likes to answer the same things SEVERAL times.

3. When you change the pitch of a song, you ALWAYS alter it's key too. When you pitch down you decrease the key, and when you pitch up you increase the key.

There are two basic tools in order to work with keys especially if you want to mix-in-key:
a) Master Tempo
b) Key Lock

Master Tempo will "lock/hold" the original key of the track no matter how you alter the pitch of the song.
Key Lock will "lock/hold" the key of that the track has the moment you enable it.

If you can't understand the difference let me give you an example:
You have one track with original key 1A.
You load the track, and you increase it's pitch a little. The NEW key of the song (as you hear it) is now 2A.
You enable Master Tempo.
The tracks key restores back to 1A while the track is still playing with increased speed/pitch
You disable Master Tempo.
Tracks key goes to 2A again
You enable Key Lock
Tracks key still remains 2A
You increase the pitch furthermore.
Tracks key stays 2A
You disable Key Lock
Tracks key jumps to 3A
You enable Master Tempo
Tracks key goes back to 1A
You disable Master Tempo
Tracks key jumps to 3A
You enable Key Lock again
Tracks key remains to 3A.
You move pitch slider back to 0 position
Tracks key still remains 3A
You disable Key Lock
Tracks key jumps to 1A which is it's original key (no pitch change)

If you want to work with keys do a little research in Wikipedia or Google. There's a ton of info there.
As a quick guide do the following: Use the CAMELOT system (keys in numbers (1A,2A e.t.c.) and not in musical keys (Cm,Em e.t.c.)
By having Master Tempo or Key-Lock always ENABLED try to mix from your number pos in +/-1 pos (like a clock)
Also you can try to mix in +2 pos but NOT in -2 pos.
Of course you can always mix in the same pos, but not all the tracks on your mix are in the same pos...

Finally, VDJ has some more tools for you like Key_Match in order to match two different keys. For more info RTFM before you ask please.
 
Wow!Now that's an answer! Thank you,sir! I'll be honored to ask you some more questions in the future! ;)
 


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