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Scroll up because I already explained it. DJs also do things other than bar/club gigs. People could also say the same about midi controllers, sync button, etc. If you like it support. If not... Well thats how we get off topic.

Atomix saw the need to make the app, we are now talking about the problems with it and maybe how to address them.
 
dj2bucs wrote :
I try to keep to myself alot of times when I see some things cause I dont like to see a bickering session but I couldnt on this one

What did DJ's do before cell phones and tablets I know when I am DJing I don't leave the DJ Booth unless I have to Piss and then I have Piss Break Mixes I have made up before hand for situations like that I just don't see a purpose for a remote. And the Bartenders bring drinks to me also so I don't have to worry about that.


I'm with you, all my tasks are taken care of well before the affair. I bring the mic for the toast and the blessing, but rarely leave the booth. Take a pee, who does that? Many, many, many years ago, when I did Jesus bar mitzvah, I went to pee, and a box of 45s was gone. So, I never leave the room. I have my meal bought to me, and never sit down. This is one of those moments where technology seems to add to the work load. Remember when you bought a record and played it, done. Some say it works as intended, others think it's a piece of crap. I try to keep it simple. Others, like the new toys, what do I know?
 
To person who implied I wanted it fixed today, you do not take into account that myself and others have been asking for this for a long time and this thread is the first time I've EVER seen an actual response from Atomix. Which has been frustrating. So ill echo the thanks for the reply from someone earlier.

To those who said that there is no need to leave the booth, you are thinking only of your own needs. Someone else already explained a reason and I have another altogether.

I don't see why a simple tracklisting is so difficult with VDJ, if DJay can achieve this for years with their app it seems strange its so difficult the VDJ. Maybe I'm missing something??

And last point with the App freezing up VDJ in two on my machines and also a friends. This has been repeatable every time, I usually takes about an hour or so to freeze though as I'd stated earlier. Only thing I could say is that we both have a Pioneer DDJ-SX, although I don't see why that would be a factor.
 
Stop comparing this app to DJAY, that's a TOTALLY different program........
 
I'm comparing DJays remote app to VDJs remote app.

Unless I'm missing something they are pretty much exactly the same thing, just for their respective program's nah?!

Except theirs has had a browser since inception.

What's the problem with comparing two different apps that attempt to do the same thing here? Other than that it shows how flawed the remote for VDJ is if theirs destroys this one in usability.
 
Fine whatever, go use theirs then. Problem solved.
 
Well that's my point that I made in my first post eh. That's exactly what i have to do right now, which is why I want this one fixed so I don't have to use that program anymore for certain events.

Seriously why are you so filled with contempt for me just because I point out how crippled the VDJ remote is in its present form?
Did you personally design it and are felling hurt by my words, what is it?

Nothing I've said is not demonstrably true yet you seem so bitter that I dare say it.

Do I really need to preface it every time with something like "I love VDJ but..."
Obviously this is in fact true otherwise I would be happy using DJAY.

But now man up mate and answer my previous posts question.

You said to stop comparing it to DJays remote because "that's a totally DIFFERENT program" and I responded that its the same basic idea is it not? Your answer was ....disappointing frankly.


Its been over two and a half years since its had any attention. And this thread is the first one I've seen of many threads, some started by myself, but many also by others, that someone from Atomix has taken the few seconds to talk to us about it.

TWO AND A HALF YEARS.

And you get snippy with me for daring to complain. They deserve to be complained to on this point, if you can not see that then you suffer from blind loyalty. As I've said before, if DJays remote app can browse why can't this one. They are a two bit operation compared to Atomix.

But.......I love VDJ. There, can you not treat me like pond scum now? :)
 
data transfer issues will be a problem. Storing the XML file locally would help and the search would be local and quick. Just syncing the playlist would be a start. Searching prior to going walkabout would solve half the problem.

DJ's need to leave the booth for many reasons. I have certain "routines" where I will interact with the guests and being able play/pause without having to run back to the booth would be great - if the remote app worked on Android!

You could also introduce guests from the door as they enter rather than from behind your booth, again am much more interactive experience!

That said - Didn't Atomix announce that VDJ was being ported to IOS as well? If it runs as a "companion" device then you have the best of both worlds right. So maybe investing time in iRemote right now really isn't the right thing to do.

Guess we'll only find out when VDJ8 is released. Until then, I'm not sure this thread will go anywhere...

Cheers,

Roy
 
If its true that an iOS companion app would come out then stating that clearly in a thread like this would end it for me instantly.

If that's not the case however then from what I read from the Atomix person who chimed in earlier it seems their approach is unnecessarily complicated. Syncing a massive database may not be practical, fair enough, but why not just convert the basic details of tracks names, artists etc to a text file and have the app tap that. Alternatively, have a look at how DJay remote app achieved it and copy that basic idea. Its clearly possible if they can do it so if your approach doesn't seem tenable then change it, simplify it.

 
Hmm, mine never crashed during a gig not either when run out of battery ;-)
Maybe you really should raise a ticket and we will have a look into it.

I love the app as it is, but it really would be great when you can serach a track by using a iremote searchbar.

But not sure if i understand why everybody say it is not possible to "browse".
I can scroll through each folder and so the stored tracks.
If you mean you can't serach a track by using a serachbar, you are right.

But this would be the only + feature beside multi touch from my point of view.
Hope really this will come.

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The DJay App is from my point of view a stand alone product for iPad use only and will only use the iPad located tracks, right?

Our iRemote App is a app which will controll by remote the computer based VDJ version.
Thats our idea behind that and i don't believe it will change.

I use it in the pre hour or when i have to run to wash my hands ;-) and it need a little bit longer then expected. ;-)

I can't really see why we should change that. Only because others do it different?
If you really want to use a ipad as a backup for emergencies you just can use DJay or simpel iTunes.
 
I don't mean their standalone iphone/ipad app. I'm talking about their Remote App for their Mac version of DJay. Is that where some of this confusion comes from perhaps. They are different apps.


https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/djay-remote/id355721990?mt=8

Yeah I know you search track by track, but I'm taking about a browser, and yes search too I guess.
 
Ok, i don't really know this product but where is the difference in general?

You have a Mac based DJay software product which can be controlled by remote with this app.

Simular then Pro Full and iRemote, right?

Additional they offer a stand alone product for iPad only.
Thats the only difference i can see!

We do not offer a iPad only VDJ stand alone product.


Sorry but i don't understand what you mean with "browse!
Can you show me a screenshot/photo from what you are talking about?

Thx :-)
 
I believe he wants to be able to see his entire library on the iPad as well as the laptop.
 
Exactly. As in browse my library from the iRemote.

I put the link up because you were comparing iRemote to their standalone iOS app, and then saying its different. So I pointed out that that was not the app I speak off. Fact is their remote app has had a full browse ability and search since it came out years ago and Atomix are saying its too hard because you need to sync 200mb database. This is obviously not entirely accurate or an Incorrect way to go about it because theirs works great. Its just that their main program is lacking compared to VDJ. But their remote app nailed it.

To quote you...

"The DJay App is from my point of view a stand alone product for iPad use only and will only use the iPad located tracks, right?

Our iRemote App is a app which will controll by remote the computer based VDJ version.
Thats our idea behind that and i don't believe it will change."
 
From what I've seen, the new Pioneer RemoteBox software has browsing too - wirelessly from the XDJ R1.

Granted there's a 10,000 file limit on the R1, but whether that's related or not I couldn't say. 10k is better than nothing though!
 
Sintar wrote :
Exactly. As in browse my library from the iRemote.


I'm not at home at the moment, but i believe this is possible right now also on iRemote side.
Maybe not the same way or view like you can do this with the other app, but it should be possible.

Let me have a look later :-)


http://www.virtualdj.com/forums/139303/Virtual_DJ_Skins/_NEW__iTCmania_(iPhone_Skin).html
When i click there on FOLDER i can use the up and down buttons to move up or down through the computer folders!
When i then use FILES i can scroll through the files with the up and down buttons from the above selected folder.
Also i can switch to the playlist and sidelist.

Guess it is just needed from a skin mate to create a bigger "browser" field where you can see more with one look.
Maybe as a additional window/page?

But in general this is what you mean, right?


So for me it does not make sense to route the hole database content from computer to iPad or iPhone when you can view the content live :-)

PS: Will ask DJDAD to have a look into this Topic.
 
did i hear my name ? :)

Every application which is offered to the market, has a specific purpose and goal. The iRemote application is a tool that provides you the necessary features that you will need if you step out of the booth for a while, and thats exactly what it does.
Whatever issues you may have with the connection, you need to consider that the Wifi connection itself may create them. If you are experiencing crashes using the iRemote application, please submit a ticket in Support and provide the crashreport or/and any additional info.

The iRemote Skin Engine can only show the selected track and folder and provides the actions to navigate through browser windows (folders/files/playlist/sidelist), folders and song. I understand that having the entire database would be more handy, but this is just an additional feature, not something that prevent you from using it.
If you want to step out of the booth, add a few songs in a Playlist and have them available in the "mini" browser of the iRemote skin. Again, the application was not designed to provide you the ability to do the whole show from the bar ;)
 
Haui70 wrote :
So for me it does not make sense to route the hole database content from computer to iPad or iPhone when you can view the content live


It does make sense, for (at least) two reasons. For me, the biggest reason is the ability to browse data on the iPad when the computer (VDJ) is not there - crashed etc. In this scenario, viewing live will not work!

On a tangent, I see that there are various database viewing apps for the iPad which read various formats. It might take a bit of work converting, but I could for example go XML->Access->iPad app or XML->SQL->iPad app.

Native ability would of course be best!
 
groovindj wrote :
Haui70 wrote :
So for me it does not make sense to route the hole database content from computer to iPad or iPhone when you can view the content live


It does make sense, for (at least) two reasons. For me, the biggest reason is the ability to browse data on the iPad when the computer (VDJ) is not there - crashed etc. In this scenario, viewing live will not work!


Ehm, when the computer has crashed - how will the database content help to handle the silence on the dabcefloor?
It is just the database!

Or are you talking about to have the same audio files on Ipad side then on computer side?
If thisis the goal you have to copy before the hoem compter based tracks also onto your iPad by using iTunes.
So you can use them during a computer crash till the computer is back to life!


@Babis, is it possible to add a folder/files view with more lines to to see with one look for example 20tracks and then scroll down to see the next 20 and so on?
 
Something like?
 
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