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No i bought it new a while back in store Currys/PC World so not an option to return it. Being it was not a majorly expensive one, ill get over it but that was not the point i brought forward.
I am saying regardless if you have some sort of purchased option, that function should be available fullstop (that is just my opinion) but then thats what this forum is for right ?
Voicing your opinions and having your say helping the community etc etc etc ...

See this is what i like i never for one minute suggested otherwise about VDJ not being a company and not being here to make money, what i did say is that it SHOULD be a basic working function for ALL payed options.

Disgruntled or otheriwse that is my opinion and yes my own stupidity left me making a slightly premature decision which i have now payed for, it has absolutely no use to me i could have done everything with the free version as far as im aware (and even if i couldnt) if i was a cheap skate i wouldnt even be here i would have got it cracked and enjoyed it all for nothing ;)

But i didnt i took some time out to partialy read the info (should have read it all) but i didnt, yet amazingly most are still missing the point my opinion is it should be a basic function on ALL purchased options, if it was hardware how would you mix with out the mixer ?

Now despite saying it does what it says on the tin well yah clearly it does, we know i didnt read all the text or i could have saved myself the purchase but it still doesnt stop the point i make being any less valid or give it any less merit as i said before it is just my opinion.
 
If you had raised this in the Wishes and New Features forum you may have got less grief.

Personally, I think you are just venting at the mistake you made, but raising in this forum was never gonna give you an easy ride.

The 10 minute controller support is a teaser to show you what you could do with the pro version - it's an in product interactive advertisement.

And it is what it is...

Cheers,

Roy
 
Well yes i am venting at the mistake i made, BUT i really do feel that should be a vital basic function for all PAYED for options.

That being i didnt read all the text i took it at face value, after reading this

"VirtualDJ Broadcaster is the perfect solution to discover or rediscover the pleasures of DJing.
Available in most consumer electronic shops, VirtualDJ Broadcaster will let both beginners and veteran DJs enjoy mixing for a very affordable price."

As soon as i saw that i was like yes thats what i need it honestly didnt occure to me that wouldnt be a function, in terms of the broadcasting i was like how could it not be ?
Yes it was my mistake but again i do feel it should be the case, why didnt i check against the pro ?

Ill tell you why for one it noted under software free version ok we know thats a demo basicaly, broadcaster version thats gotta be the middle one most functions but not all Pro's obviously going to be top notch give you all the swirls and cherrys on top OBVIOUS fact.
I didnt think in a million years i wouldnt get that function.

Thats why i raised it here and yes to vent course i was pissed at myself and for teh fact i cant believe it isnt an option.
 
And yet you didn't read the very next line in the description and wonder what it really meant?

"A great entry solution for DJs who mix with mouse and keyboard without the need of advanced soundcard configurations."

I get your point and opinion. And you have gone through several interations of still blaming VirtualDJ for not providing the 'basic' functionality of controller support in a product version where it clearly states just the opposite.

Controller support is not a 'basic' functionality of DJ Software. There are a large quantity of DJ Software products that do not support external controller at all. And doesn't even have the ability to do so in the software - but those products can be used to broadcast with to web-based radio stations. Then there are those that do support controllers (at a cost) but only a small sampling of the entire controller market. Then there are others that don't support a large selection that you can add your own support through their MIDI learn capabilities - which that comes at a cost as well. And then you have VirtualDJ that supports a very large collection of controllers and 'Yes' at a cost.

So no matter what your selection in hardware, you were going to have another cost somewhere in the process to get all the abilities you want. But to use the arguement - "Controller support is a 'basic' feature that should be 'free' or 'available' in every version of a 'X-brand' product." - simply is not a valid statement.
 
How is it not i didnt say it should be basic function for free versions, i said basic for all payed for options... I realise this is about making money, but in doing so even all the years back for as long as i remember VDJ supported controllers, thats why it was an obvious choice for me.
Now i do expect with PRO for there to be more options than the mid level, that being said again i didnt think functionality would come into it.
I was thinking more along the lines of recording the sets broadcasting using VDJ's servers etc etc stuff that costs money if you were going to set up a server externaly for djing purposes online.
Functionality didnt cross my mind as explained and yes we all know as you ALL keep kindly pointing out, i didnt read the next line.
I also keep explaining myself and actions and still you want to blind side my point.

No disrespect to yourself "CSTOLL" but you yourself in your own words said and i quote "I get your point and opinion." moving on from that i have never blamed VDJ for my mistake NEVER i said in my opinion it SHOULD be a basic function for ALL payed for options.

That does not mean it will ever be the case, it doesnt mean im here trying to start world war 3 to get it changed. And i am sure after paying for upgrading you would feel slightly cheated if it did, But right now the shoe is on the other foot and thats my case & point.

And yes for research purposes its clear i should have done more, but when you think plug and play = simple it clearly is not is it ?
 
 
Of course no one is agreeing with you, for a simple reason, you are wrong.
Look at it from this angle; Say a user wants the broadcast version as it is currently presented, but VDJ doesn't offer it that way anymore. All paid versions of VDJ now come with some level of controller support, which means the price will go up for the broadcast version since there are now more features. But the guy that wants only keyboard and mouse support feels jilted because VDJ has left him behind, he cannot afford to pay and does not feel he should have to pay for features he does not need. There are multiple versions and multiple levels because users have many different needs. VDJ has been doing this for a long time, studied the market, listened to the users and put together one of the most flexible, most intuitive, most feature rich DJ software packages in the world.
YOU failed to research fully, VDJ offers exactly what you need, YOU bought the wrong thing.
 
Its like people who call up Microsoft and scream at them because their computer comes with a Home or Basic OS, but they really wanted Pro or Enterprise editions and its not fair that they have to pay extra for those features.

In my opinion, if I'm forking over cash for a product, I'm going to do as much research as possible on it and know every single thing about it before hand so that I know my money isnt wasted. Cant blame the companies who make the products for your mistake if you didnt understand the product well enough before buying it. In some cases, companies do a poor job in marketing or selling their products and consumers get confused. But in this case, all relevant information was on this site for people to understand what they were buying. Not to mention, there is TONS of info on these forums pertaining to each version of the software. Cant blame VDJ because you didnt read or review things first.
 
I am sorry "TDBennet" but i feel that is not a valid point, why ?
Because as standard even with pro you can still use mouse and keyboard, my arguement is if you have indeed at least made the effort to purchase any sort of VDJ.
It should indeed be capable of allowing external controllers for those who wish to use them as its a pretty basic function.

As for the code it is already there it has to be, or the free version would not be capable of limiting you in which case the broadcast version is also capable....
So in the end it all comes down to wanting to maximise profits by having another most wanted/useful function charged for, dont get me wrong i understand the need to make money im not an idiot despite most of you pretty much thinking it.

Now again i NEVER blamed VDJ for my **** up so i dont know why people keep saying that, i am however again stating that MY OPINION IS it should be a basic function for any payed version.

I didnt say it was i never expect it to be, im merely claiming it should be.
And the only reason your saying NO is because you have already purchased it, and you would feel cheated if it was changed.
In which case why did no one else bring up or discuss this point and if you DID then clearly im not alone in the thought, in which case what im saying isnt rubbish.
And the issue should have been pushed and maybe just maybe things would be different, again though like i have said im not here to start world war 3 in the hopes of getting my way im merely stating i feel that function should be available to all purchased options.

So this statement has absolutely SWEET - F.A to do with my faux pas i already admitted my lack of reading and payed for it.
So your statements about me blaming VDJ are obsolete.

And again "Visions5" while i realise my lack of reading fully understanding that option didnt come with controller uses, that isnt the point i make. The point i make is that it should come with all payed for options not just PRO, not because i made a **** up and i think they should change it. BUt because i sincerely think its a cheap way to make more money when it should be a useable function for all payed options.

Is it starting to make any sence now ?

This has **** alll to do with my **** up and everything to do with the OPINION that it SHOULD be in all payed options as a basic function.

Is that clearer and easier to understand not just you "Vision5" but all of you who have repeated themselves on the understanding this has something to do with my rash **** up and lack of reading.

[Moderated: Please do not use bad language in your forum posts. Please read the forum rules]
 
The same could be said for lots of products...

You could say that all cars should come with air conditioning, but it's unlikely to happen.

When a vendor sells a range of products (software or hardware), from basic to pro, then the cheaper ones have stuff missing & the pro ones have everything. That's not something unique to VDJ or Atomix, that's normal.

There's a comparison chart that shows the features each version has. It's there for all to see.

Other companies have similar charts. Ableton has a chart that compares versions of Live. The cheap version has features missing.
 
Perhaps contacting Atomix could help.

Explain that you made a mistake and purchaced the wrong version of VDJ and ask if they would be prepaired to let you pay the difference for the software you actualy need.

I don't think buying a controller with LE would solve all the problems as there may well be features of the broadcaster version that you need and don't get with LE.

My first brush with VDJ left me with Steam comming out of my ears untill I calmed down and understood some of the comments made to me on this forum. I had purchaced a Numark DMC2 (Not a cheap seats controller by anyones standards at the time) It came with a "free" VDJ LE version. I was dissapointed to find that I could not configure the LE version to my sound card and Mixer. So the anger and ranting started. "This is a basic feature" I said. "I have paid all this money and can't use the thing properly" I exclaimed. "If I had bought a controller with a built in mixer I would have been fine." Why should the all in one people be able to use their mixers and I can't" and so on and so on,,,,,,,,,

After calming down and getting it into my head that actualy I had not "Paid all this money" for VDJ. I had paid for an expensive controller!!!
The software was free!!!!!

At that time there was only the LE and the Pro version. I am sure some people may have thought. Why spend so much money for a Pro version. Why can I not decide what features I realy need and perhaps not pay for function I am never going to use. And so the various versions of VDJ were born. There is a version for all price and function levels now and I think that is a good thing. As a bit of reverse phsycology here, how would you feel if you had spent more money on the Pro version and descovered that a free version or a cheaper paid version would have done the job? If the differences between versions are not fairly dramatic then there is no added value to the more costly version.

Daz
 
@Durand 1981

You've made the same point several times now. Irrespective of this Atomix aren't going to change their business model. It is what it is.

Also, please make yourself familiar with the forum rules. Bad language will not be tolerated, and if this thread gets out of hand it will be locked. Be nice people .....

http://www.virtualdj.com/wiki/Forum%20Rules.html

As stated by Daz, there is no-one on the forum who can help you regarding the purchase. If you wish to take this further with Atomix support staff then please raise a support ticket here:

http://www.virtualdj.com/contact/step2.html

Keith
 
I am not going to reiterate your entire comments. But since you seemed to like the fact that I said that "I get your point and opinion."

You have yet to acknowledge the real point of your issue. By your own post above, you stated again three different time that your opinion is the external controller support is a 'BASIC' function of DJ Software.

Durand1981 wrote :
i am however again stating that MY OPINION IS it should be a basic function for any payed version.

Durand1981 wrote :
BUt because i sincerely think its a cheap way to make more money when it should be a useable function for all payed options.

Durand1981 wrote :
everything to do with the OPINION that it SHOULD be in all payed options as a basic function.


And my prior reply, that you don't seem to want to accept -

cstoll wrote :
Controller support is not a 'basic' functionality of DJ Software. There are a large quantity of DJ Software products that do not support external controller at all. And doesn't even have the ability to do so in the software - but those products can be used to broadcast with to web-based radio stations. Then there are those that do support controllers (at a cost) but only a small sampling of the entire controller market. Then there are others that don't support a large selection that you can add your own support through their MIDI learn capabilities - which that comes at a cost as well. And then you have VirtualDJ that supports a very large collection of controllers and 'Yes' at a cost.

But to use the argument - "Controller support is a 'basic' feature that should be 'free' or 'available' in every version of a 'X-brand' product." - simply is not a valid statement.


So, as said before; "I get your point and opinion." Unfortunately, the industry as a WHOLE does not see things the same way.

At this point it would be better to agree to disagree, than trying to continue to make a case to the contrary of the industry practice.
 
Honestly im past caring i said my piece thats honestly what i think yes i have said it in many ways, i havent said they should change it i dont expect they ever will change it its just my opinion.
Will i get pro... NO not a chance.

Debate closed.
 


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