christianwheel
I can use a PNG file as a video logo and it works fine, but I'd like to use a looping animated video with an alpha channel to place in the corner of the screen over my main video output. Is it possible?
Mensajes Mon 29 Jan 24 @ 12:26 pm
christianwheel
Answered my own question - The video file needs to be HAP encoded then you can specify it in the "video logo" field in the config.
It initially didn't work for me as I had an uncompliant video file. But all is well now!
One question if anyone knows - The location options are Left-Top, Right-Top, Left-Bottom and Right-Bottom. How can I place the video logo center-bottom? My screen is a wide LCD screen that has two 90 degree angles so if it's on the left or right it's not visible on the main stage, it has to be in the center.
It initially didn't work for me as I had an uncompliant video file. But all is well now!
One question if anyone knows - The location options are Left-Top, Right-Top, Left-Bottom and Right-Bottom. How can I place the video logo center-bottom? My screen is a wide LCD screen that has two 90 degree angles so if it's on the left or right it's not visible on the main stage, it has to be in the center.
Mensajes Mon 29 Jan 24 @ 12:31 pm
PhantomDeejay
You'll have to either render your logo in such a way that becomes centered when placed on left side of the screen, or use sampler.
What I mean by render the logo again is this:
Let's say your logo video is 400 pixels wide.
You render your logo with 800 pixels "blank" (transparent) space in front, and then the 400 pixels of the actual logo. Your end result should be a video that's now 1200 pixels wide.
You will need to experiment a little with the headroom size of course.
Also you can try to put the blank space on the right side. So, 400 pixels of logo media and 800 pixels of blank space. In this case obviously you'll have to select the bottom right placement for the logo.
What I mean by render the logo again is this:
Let's say your logo video is 400 pixels wide.
You render your logo with 800 pixels "blank" (transparent) space in front, and then the 400 pixels of the actual logo. Your end result should be a video that's now 1200 pixels wide.
You will need to experiment a little with the headroom size of course.
Also you can try to put the blank space on the right side. So, 400 pixels of logo media and 800 pixels of blank space. In this case obviously you'll have to select the bottom right placement for the logo.
Mensajes Mon 29 Jan 24 @ 2:22 pm
groovindj
I would suggest going for the sampler option. That way, you can position it where you like, resize it etc. just by dragging.
Mensajes Mon 29 Jan 24 @ 3:01 pm
wildcountryclub
yup. sampler is the way to go. resize and put it where ya want it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A_TfrYXUEs
also learning some basic video editing or having software for it helps.
i have the club logo revolving on the tv screens all night long. just used basic video editor for some keyframing to make it spin, recorded it, dragged to sampler, resized and repositioned, and used background color as alpha for transparency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A_TfrYXUEs
also learning some basic video editing or having software for it helps.
i have the club logo revolving on the tv screens all night long. just used basic video editor for some keyframing to make it spin, recorded it, dragged to sampler, resized and repositioned, and used background color as alpha for transparency.
Mensajes Mon 29 Jan 24 @ 3:44 pm
wildcountryclub
only real limit is your imagination and your graphics card
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvX5I1zWPTQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvX5I1zWPTQ
Mensajes Mon 29 Jan 24 @ 3:55 pm
christianwheel
Thanks guys. The only issue is that these approaches require pre-production. I'm going to be working with an event company where I will be given logos and animations on-site that will need to be displayed immediately.
From what I understand over the course of an 8 hour event I'll be given a new logo or animation to display every half-hour. They're provided as either png or quicktime files with alpha channel, I have a converter that can quickly do the HAF encoding, but scaling and placement will require an NLE like Premiere and that's tough to do while you're quickmixing and hosting (not to mention will steal cpu and gpu usage from vdj).
These are the screens that I'm working with: https://vimeo.com/907606057/27bd5b243b
The sides plus the center are one big widescreen. Any logo placement that is on the left or right ends up on the side screens which will be invisible to most of the crowd.
I tried an approach today using a separate computer with a capture card and OBS but the delay created by the capture card is too long for the music videos, the music is out of sync with the visuals.
From what I understand over the course of an 8 hour event I'll be given a new logo or animation to display every half-hour. They're provided as either png or quicktime files with alpha channel, I have a converter that can quickly do the HAF encoding, but scaling and placement will require an NLE like Premiere and that's tough to do while you're quickmixing and hosting (not to mention will steal cpu and gpu usage from vdj).
These are the screens that I'm working with: https://vimeo.com/907606057/27bd5b243b
The sides plus the center are one big widescreen. Any logo placement that is on the left or right ends up on the side screens which will be invisible to most of the crowd.
I tried an approach today using a separate computer with a capture card and OBS but the delay created by the capture card is too long for the music videos, the music is out of sync with the visuals.
Mensajes Tue 30 Jan 24 @ 9:23 am
groovindj
Is that booth going to be high up on a stage?
If not, then putting a logo at the bottom will mean it's down at floor level, and as soon as you have people in front of you, nobody will see anything on the screens anyway.
Do you at least know the size and shape of the logos and/or the resolution?
i.e. will they be full frame with a logo positioned within, or just the size of the logo?
N.B. when we talk about resizing and positioning logos using the VDJ sampler, that can be done directly within the sampler itself. You don't need NLE.
The thing with VDJ is that you can't move the overlay outside the borders of the video window, which limits positioning.
If not, then putting a logo at the bottom will mean it's down at floor level, and as soon as you have people in front of you, nobody will see anything on the screens anyway.
Do you at least know the size and shape of the logos and/or the resolution?
i.e. will they be full frame with a logo positioned within, or just the size of the logo?
N.B. when we talk about resizing and positioning logos using the VDJ sampler, that can be done directly within the sampler itself. You don't need NLE.
The thing with VDJ is that you can't move the overlay outside the borders of the video window, which limits positioning.
Mensajes Tue 30 Jan 24 @ 9:42 am
PhantomDeejay
Then you should probably use the slideshow plugin.
Mensajes Tue 30 Jan 24 @ 9:49 am
PhantomDeejay
Now that I've seen the "booth", personally I would go a completely different route.
I would use Resolume to slice the screen (after all it's a 3 parts screen) and do all the "magic" there.
Then I would feed Resolume with VirtualDJ video output via NDI
I have done it, and if it's done on the same system (obviously needs to be a powerful one) or via a dedicated wired Gigabit LAN, the latency is barely noticeable.
PS: I used to drive a 10 meters (33ft.) wide, 3 meters (10ft.) tall LED screen wall last summer like this.
The only difference was that we had a dedicated Visuals guy that would handle Resolume.
I was feeding him my video, and he was the one that would play it, switch to other visuals, add effects, e.t.c.
But I was the guy that set up everything :P
I would use Resolume to slice the screen (after all it's a 3 parts screen) and do all the "magic" there.
Then I would feed Resolume with VirtualDJ video output via NDI
I have done it, and if it's done on the same system (obviously needs to be a powerful one) or via a dedicated wired Gigabit LAN, the latency is barely noticeable.
PS: I used to drive a 10 meters (33ft.) wide, 3 meters (10ft.) tall LED screen wall last summer like this.
The only difference was that we had a dedicated Visuals guy that would handle Resolume.
I was feeding him my video, and he was the one that would play it, switch to other visuals, add effects, e.t.c.
But I was the guy that set up everything :P
Mensajes Tue 30 Jan 24 @ 10:11 am
groovindj
I was going to to mention Resolume in my earlier post, but edited it out again!
It's certainly much more capable than VDJ for video, but it's quite a large expense for just showing a logo.
I use Resolume myself alongside VDJ when streaming. I do some overlays in Resolume and others in VDJ, depending on what they are and how they're used.
It's certainly much more capable than VDJ for video, but it's quite a large expense for just showing a logo.
I use Resolume myself alongside VDJ when streaming. I do some overlays in Resolume and others in VDJ, depending on what they are and how they're used.
Mensajes Tue 30 Jan 24 @ 10:24 am
PhantomDeejay
Agreed.
I said that he may be best to go the Resolume way in order to SLICE the screen as well, not just for the logo.
If he slices the screen, he can have different videos (or different part of the same video) on each screen, place "one" logo on all 3 sides e.t.c.
For instance instead of having the sides of the booth show the "sides/wings" of the video, he can have each side show the center of the video that the front/main screen is showing.
Or he can opt to have the sides play their own promotion videos e.t.c.
Resolume is a dedicated Video Mixing software, specialized at working with complex screens. Of course it's better than VirtualDJ when it comes to more complex operations. At the same time it would be a terrible solution to mix and beat match video clips as it's not is primary target/goal.
Anyway, if you have spent that much already to build such a booth, spending a few bucks more to get Resolume is not unreasonable.
And by mixing both (Resolume and VirtualDJ) you can have the best of both worlds.
It all depends on how far you're willing to go, and how deep you want to put your hand in your pocket! :P
I said that he may be best to go the Resolume way in order to SLICE the screen as well, not just for the logo.
If he slices the screen, he can have different videos (or different part of the same video) on each screen, place "one" logo on all 3 sides e.t.c.
For instance instead of having the sides of the booth show the "sides/wings" of the video, he can have each side show the center of the video that the front/main screen is showing.
Or he can opt to have the sides play their own promotion videos e.t.c.
Resolume is a dedicated Video Mixing software, specialized at working with complex screens. Of course it's better than VirtualDJ when it comes to more complex operations. At the same time it would be a terrible solution to mix and beat match video clips as it's not is primary target/goal.
Anyway, if you have spent that much already to build such a booth, spending a few bucks more to get Resolume is not unreasonable.
And by mixing both (Resolume and VirtualDJ) you can have the best of both worlds.
It all depends on how far you're willing to go, and how deep you want to put your hand in your pocket! :P
Mensajes Tue 30 Jan 24 @ 11:09 am
groovindj
Slicing is only available in Arena though, right? More than twice the price of Avenue.
Mensajes Tue 30 Jan 24 @ 12:05 pm
PhantomDeejay
I don't remember TBH.
We have Arena on the club, so I don't know if slicing is an Arena only option.
I believe pixel mapping is an Arena only feature, but slicing a simple screen should be possible on Avenue as well. I could be wrong though.. Don't count on my words.
We have Arena on the club, so I don't know if slicing is an Arena only option.
I believe pixel mapping is an Arena only feature, but slicing a simple screen should be possible on Avenue as well. I could be wrong though.. Don't count on my words.
Mensajes Tue 30 Jan 24 @ 1:12 pm
groovindj
OK I just had a look at the advanced output settings...
In Avenue you can configure multiple outputs (screens) and multiple slices, so it looks possible. The options are slightly limited compared to Arena though.
In Avenue you can configure multiple outputs (screens) and multiple slices, so it looks possible. The options are slightly limited compared to Arena though.
Mensajes Tue 30 Jan 24 @ 2:01 pm
christianwheel
Thanks guys, although that seems like a complex, expensive situation to a simple issue. No question that Resolume is a fantastic piece of software but it's way overkill for what I'm doing.
For now it does seem like the sampler does what I need! Was not aware you could reposition it but figured that out, so thank you for the heads up on that.
To remove the sides and place logos there, I came up with a fairly simple solution. I designed an HTML page that lets me select two video files for the side panels and it loops them in the appropriate pixel positions when made fullscreen at 1080p, then just leaves a green box for the center screen. All I have to do is run VDJ video in a window in crop mode (due to the different aspect ratio), size the video window to fit over the green and it works fine.
For now it does seem like the sampler does what I need! Was not aware you could reposition it but figured that out, so thank you for the heads up on that.
To remove the sides and place logos there, I came up with a fairly simple solution. I designed an HTML page that lets me select two video files for the side panels and it loops them in the appropriate pixel positions when made fullscreen at 1080p, then just leaves a green box for the center screen. All I have to do is run VDJ video in a window in crop mode (due to the different aspect ratio), size the video window to fit over the green and it works fine.
Mensajes Wed 31 Jan 24 @ 11:59 pm
groovindj
Glad to see you got it sorted. Good luck with the gig!
Mensajes Thu 01 Feb 24 @ 11:18 am
geeriks163
WOW NEW TO THIS
Mensajes Thu 01 Feb 24 @ 1:27 pm
christianwheel
One more reply to thank you all again from the bottom of my heart for your replies. Not only did you lead me to a solution but turned me on to Resolume, which looks absolutely amazing. I don't have a need for it at the moment but it's something I'll keep in my back pocket for future expansion. Would never have known of its existence without this thread, so thank you again. Cheers. Love this forum!
Mensajes Fri 02 Feb 24 @ 4:54 am
groovindj
One thing worth noting is that Resolume software is offered at half price each year around Black Friday. That's how I bought my copy.
Mensajes Fri 02 Feb 24 @ 9:37 am
