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EQ!
 
Before making a comment on the sound-quality of vdj 3 things:

1) Never go above zero db, it will make your sound bad (hint master plugins! limiters or compressor limiter would be great!)
2) if you use keep in key function, it will sound bad quickly even if only a few % pitch change
3) The internal EQ SUCKS BIG TIME so use an external mixer for that, matter of fact dont mix internal at all if you want good sound quality!

Now personally i did an a/b test with Torq, VDJ and Serato i have all official versions at home and i find indeed the quality of the sound is Serato 1, Torq 2, VDJ3...

I did say personally, before you guys sling at me... I use VDJ and Serato on gigs and as long as i keep to the 3 point above i have no big issues. Saidly i am forced a lot on Serato because of the lack of vinyl, which i am trying to solve but seems to be difficult.
 
The internal EQ has not been updated since the start, and hasn't really been needed too much by Pro users as most have used hardware mixers for better control and connectivity. But now there are several higher quality "all in one" controllers which have EQ knobs, as well as Midi mixers, it has become something which has gradually put itself up onto the priority list.
 
hardware what!,i have use every dj software out there and took the same song i played in vdj and play them in the orther softwares it's like night & day
 
DJ PHIL IT wrote :
hardware what!,i have use every dj software out there and took the same song i played in vdj and play them in the orther softwares it's like night & day



Then I would use night, or is it day? Which ever sounds better to you, is what you should be using.

You've used every software out there? Damn, that's impressive, I think.
 
your own words never put all your eggs in one basket! here is my words never put all your music in one software
 
DJ PHIL IT wrote :
your own words never put all your eggs in one basket! here is my words never put all your music in one software



Okay Phil that one did it.

Mods this has degenerated to name calling. Pull the plug.
 
Just my opinion..its not the sound engine..its the sound card...if you buy cheap there....bad sound..buy deep and go long.......
 
it look to me u have not try too many software,i have been a engineer for 21 years try some more then come back the test is sample,and talk about sound card in this day and age there are very little bad ones.i'm not only a dj! my job is to make the bands sound grate not good but grate!.
 
Sorry to shoot you down here Phil.....I AM an engineer also...and have owned a mobile service. Not to mention ACTUAL radio experience and have been in the DJ industry since 1983......you are mistaken.
 
well in that case Phil IT maybe you should look at spending more cash into better software instead of waiting until one gets better.

personally if your one to make bands sound great I would stick to professional software like Serato Scratch Live (if this is what you prefer or floats your boat for that matter) although I for one was a producer and if I am to make anyone sound great I don't use DJ software to do my job. I use production software like Reason, wavelab, Ableton Live.

Just thought but what kind of system are you running and where do you play? if you do mobile gigs do you carry your yamaha or Mackie 128 channel mixer around with you?

if you think this is personal you should think again. we're all trying to help but not listing what your "crappy" sound really sounds like or what your "sound issue" really is please mention much more about it. good chances might be an option in the software. I've gone from VDJ to SSL (another DJ using it) through a Pioneer DJM-1000 mixer in a club with very little difference in sound and made the transition quite seamlessly with no stop in the transition.

as far as other software sounding better? honestly would love to hear it. tweak your gear the right way and there should be no reason for having one software sound better if your using the same gear. at the moment VDJ uses the same sound engine as SSL and PCDJ so not sure how these can sound better.

oh and in case you feel like insulting myself for saying "was" a producer maybe you can ask around some of the older VDJ users or radio listeners about me or read up over at the link provided below as to why I quit. As far as knowing what we're talking about?? well lets just say that many users here have quite a bit of experience and have/had great careers in the music industry.

http://www.virtualdj.com/forums/81327/Virtual_DJ_Radio/so_when_does_a_DJ_hang_his_needles_.html
 
VDJ older users i have been useing vdj befor many of you all here,useing dj software since 1994.and pcdj not the old pc dj the new vpdj is useing vdj sound engine.
 
the new PCDJ is made by Atomix productions but repackaged as PCDJ. this is something that was covered a long time ago over the forums.
 
ok, lets give phil one chance at this. he's obviously not an english-first-language speaker and my guess he's italian from the IT part.

PHil, if you are an engineer, you should know how to explain in detail why you think VDJ has a bad sound engine. Please explain in detail (in italian) and I will get it translated.

If you make an argument, you need to back it up with facts. so far you have done nothing, so i dont believe you are an engineer. you speak like a fake. but that maybe because your english is not so good. tell us in italian and tell us with good detail.

so far i see no reason to take you seriously, im giving you a chance.
 
Note that for people in the know, they may know when something sounds right. Most punters at a concert, and moreso at a nightclub (who have spent some time on the turps) would think anytime they can here lyrics, a kick drum, and a high hat, everything sounds great! VDJ still sounds better than most people can notice.
 
i think we should change the discussion outside of the guy.

Who else has done some tests, other then me?

I have compaired the following way:

VDJ vs Serato using serato box for both
VDJ vs Torg using m-audio connectiv for both
VDJ using m-audio vs Serato using serato box
VDJ using professional motu firewire interface vs Serato using serato box (this was the interesting one)

And yes i PERSONALLY think the internal "engine" sounds not as good as the serato one! But i am talking about minute differences. Since if you spin mp3's the quality isnt that great anyway, unless you have proper ripped cd's at 320 (which are rare in the dj scene i noticed), even when connecting vdj on the motu firewire box i have i felt serato had a better sound.

I use both systems in big venues so personally i dont have an issue with the sound. All do i would like to be able to assign a decent mastering vsti plugin on the master outs..ones i use for production.

 
from a purely philosophical standpoint, is this relative?

fact 1) every brain works different, our senses are different, therefor our perception of reality is different. hearing is just a sense, subjective to so many personal factors
fact 2) as you get older, your hearing changes. its been tested and found that middle aged people are less susceptible to the higher frequency spectrum
fact 3) industry leading producers were asked to listen to several recordings in various compressions, flac, mp3, aiff, etc. less than 10% of them were able to tell
fact 4) sound is a quality measurable only when fully relative to the environment it was perceived in. unless you can do the test in an anaechoic chamber, you dont really have a controlled environment to offer proper results.



i doubt any of us are proper sound technicians that can give a scientfic aprroach beyond heresay.
 
Paz, yeah spot on, thats why i keep saying personally!

I have been involved in these kiind of lisn test, when i was still full time engineering.. mp3 vs non-compressed the point that all engineers and i am talking about golden ear people, had troubles was when the compression was above 192kb below (64kb/128kb/192kb) 90% of the engineers scored almost perfect on saying which was mp3 and which was uncompressed... the variable bit rates at avg of 224 and 320kb it was indeed surprising engineers could not really tell the difference..

However this was over monitor speakers and not club speakers... what my feeling is that when you compare mp3 and rar and vinyl in a club the low end is more of an issue then with monitor speakers, high freq are usually not that clear in clubs regardless of the input.

Oh btw i compared my friends Hercules breakout box with my motu converter and the change in sound quality was just funny! I dont know if this guy is using the Hercules box, but if he does, i think thats 90% of his problems.....
 
yeah, i completely agree. dont know anything about hercules, but i compared my crappy m-audio box with my older ensoniq paris years ago, and my friends emu 1616m. the dac converters in the emu are digidesign and are simply outstanding. ive heard the motu gear as well. dac quality is definitley a high factor. im saving for an RME Hamerfall rig to get sometime in the new year. looking forward to that :-D

what i dont trust is in an open argument with no supporting evidence. sound engine is perfectly fine from where i stand. after all, were just playing tracks. what you gonna compare it to anyway? you ain't gonna play a mint condition, first pressing vinyl which is still in the wrapper to compare. nor ar you gonna take your tube preamp, a linn weighted turntable with oil-channel tonearm and plug that into a club and say 'yeah it sounds better than vdj'.. no shit sherlock, thats why you spent 40,000 on a turntable.
 
I owned a hamerfall before, when i still lived in europe, RME does a great job (price wise) on there converters, EMU products with an M on the end means they put better converters in there if i remember. DA converters of the Motu are good AD always causes discussions, personally not a fan of motu converters at all (or what brand they put in there) but still beat the hell out of my connectiv, serato box and that Hercules.

Plus the 3 points before, keylock (sorry this time stretch code writing is not up2par with some other out there), EQ (who in the hell designed that algo, sorry Atomix), 0db thing on the internal mixer (we need master effects would love to run an ozone or wave plugin on the masters out one and two) and use an external mixer everybody should be fine even with a serato/connectiv box.
 
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