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If i buy a Herc Rmx, can i sell the DJC version of VDJ if i dont register it? (obviously i dont need it) Also would this version (DJC) work with a VCI & BCD2000 & 3000 and/or without a controller?
 
Mensajes Wed 01 Oct 08 @ 7:04 pm
No. The software is tied to the console and will not work without it.
 
crap, well there is one product i will not be buying...

Now what the hell is in it for someone like me? i dont need the software, bt id like the hardware, why knock down the price by 50 bucks if i dont need the software? kind of stupid if you ask me...
This is why im very reluctant to move into the software age, it seems like everything is tied to something else, and one will not work without the other, and im not even taking into consideration the stability problems that are well known... sad
 
You are buying the controller NOT the software. What you get with the controller is a GIFT form VDJ. They don't have to give their software away, but they do.
 
I doubt that VDJ gives the software for free, VDJ must be at least getting a small slice of the pie. Now ask yourselves, if the console was selling without the software, would it be the same price?
 
The software included is VERY limited, it doesn't really even touch VDJ Pros capabilities. So yes, it is in VDJs best interest to include the free software, to give new users a small taste of what the full version can do;^]
 
djrasza wrote :
I doubt that VDJ gives the software for free, VDJ must be at least getting a small slice of the pie. Now ask yourselves, if the console was selling without the software, would it be the same price?


Probably yes, it would be the same price.

But, that is one way of looking at it.
Basically, it is a demo level software, and even less when you figure what our demo can do for a limited time.

The intention is that by giving the new user a taste of the software he will upgrade over time as he grows into it and desires more features.
You have to look at it like a lost leader in a way.

I can assure you we don't make what you think on the LE version, and along with that goes the same free support that we give the Pro users. In a way we are losing money up to the point the user upgrades.

The upgrade cost is 50% off, what more could a user want?
Most controllers cost around $300, where for another $150 you are getting the controller AND the Pro version.
The LE version for the RMX has a LOCKED control panel preventing options for skins and other.

Now, if you ever decide to sell the controller and haven't registered the software, the new user will have full registration and upgrade abilities.

Sorry you already owned the software, but you could also spend $5-600 on a Denon DN4500 and have no VDJ software at all.

Still a bad deal?
 
All im trying to say is this, i tried out the rmx at the store, and it feels like im buying the software again, kind of silly in my opinion, when someone who has never been a vdj customer gets to pay the same as a loyal vdj customer, something doesnt fell right to me. If vdj is practically giving away the djc edition, why not negotiate with Hercules and get us Pro Users a deal? id jump on it!

Bottom line it this, i was very interested, when i realized that someone was giving a deal to the newbie and not the loyal customer it makes me ify, afterall i managed to get my BCD2000 to work flawlesly (so far) im not going oout to spend the cash on the Herc.
 
mp3jrick wrote :
djrasza wrote :
I doubt that VDJ gives the software for free, VDJ must be at least getting a small slice of the pie. Now ask yourselves, if the console was selling without the software, would it be the same price?


[quote=mp3jrick]Probably yes, it would be the same price.


From your post, you are telling me that what you are trying to do by "practically" giving away the software, is to atract new customers, now, do you not think that Hercules is also using the VDJ name to atract customers? It works both ways.
But in my opinion it seems like, both, VDj & Hercules are going all out for the new customer and taking for granted all those people that have supported Hercules and VDJ for all these years, Lets do the math!

New User:
Herc Remix ($300) + VDJ Pro($150) = $450

Old Users:
existing VDJ ($299) + Herc Remix ($300)= $599

C'mon, throw us a bone here!
 
As were said..... djrasza.. u were right abt one thing is that it like buying another license of the software but pls remembered that the version came with the herc is the DJC or the LE version of VDJ. It's just a limited version of VDJ. This is for the new console user to get started with. One of the disadvantage while using the limited version is that u have to connect the console while using the software at all time n it doesn't permit u to use external mixer.

Abt the cost.. yes it would seem unfair but it is just right for the new user to upgrade, it is wise to offer a discount for them to upgrade. Abt a person who buy the pro first then the rmx etc.. well it will just be another product to be added to ur collection (U can use the rmx without the use of the limited edition at all). I am a user who purchased the pro version first before buying the herc mk2 and i don't think that it is not fair. I did not use the djc edition and did not have the intention to sell the herc. There are others that upgrade from the herc mk2 to the pro version with a discount and i respect that and did not think that they have a better deal.

So just take a look at the situation, this upgrade thingy (Discount) is just one of the advantages that the limited user have but as someone who already have the pro version..this controller is just another toy to own;)

Regards.

PS: Yes u can buy the herc without registering it and if u wanna sell it next time the user can use the limited edition and register it. It will thus be fair for the new user;)
 
the truth of the matter is you are buying the controller. If you are mad a VDJ and choose not to get the controller you are the only one walking out without a controller. That version of VDJ is still already given away. I purchaced a total control and got VDJ cue le . I upgraded to pro user after that. I choose my controller before my software. I was using tracktor first and the controller worked with that too. so again the idea of not buying a controller cause you already have the software makes no sense to me.
 
It's just like cell phones...how many times do you see cell phone companies offering new phones free for switching to their service? They are no Iphones, just basic flip phones, but free non the less. Toyota just anounced % finiancing, if you were unlucky enough to have bought your Toyota last week you can't expect them to go back and rebate your money, that would be ludacris (not the rapper...although some of his songs the last couple years have been so bad he SHOULD rebate those that bought them).

You need to ask yourself is the controller worth the price TO YOU regardless of what else it comes with (i.e would you still be the controller at that price if it DIDN'T come with the software?).

I see your point about the new users getting a "better deal" by buying the bundle, but that's why they call it a "bundled deal" or "package deal", timing is everything in life.
 
djrasza wrote :
crap, well there is one product i will not be buying...


We all have options, maybe another controller would make you happier.

djrasza wrote :
Now what the hell is in it for someone like me? i dont need the software, bt id like the hardware, why knock down the price by 50 bucks if i dont need the software? kind of stupid if you ask me...


We do not sell this controller, maybe you should complain to Hercules about this.
Technically, its their call to make not ours.

djrasza wrote :

This is why im very reluctant to move into the software age, it seems like everything is tied to something else, and one will not work without the other, and im not even taking into consideration the stability problems that are well known... sad


This kind of offer/path is in place to HELP users enter the software age and we take it a step further by offering an upgrade path to Pro.

djrasza wrote :
C'mon, throw us a bone here!


Look, we are doing everything we can to help users upgrade to the Pro version regardless of what Atomix or Numark product you bought in the past.
Throw you a bone?

Personally, when I look at the options outside of software and what it would take ($) to achieve the same thing, this option is dirt cheap.
If I had to use conventional video hardware for instance, it would cost me upwards of 10K to do what VDJ does for me. (and btw, I have already been there, spent those bucks and lost my ass when I bailed on that hardware)
On top of that, if VDJ was born yesterday and I was looking for a software option that could do what it does, it would be worth $1500.00 all day long to me.
10k vs 1.5k is a no brainer.

Now granted, the software may not be used to the fullest extent by many djs, and if I had to guess, that would be the reason that Atomix has made it more AFFORDABLE.
At $299, ITS A STEAL!

I paid full price myself and have also bought several controllers over the years as features were added and quality improved.
If you look at other professional controllers and their costs, you will still find the RMX is worth much more than they are asking.
DJ hardware is a very competitive market and based on the quality of the RMX a great deal regardless of what LE software comes with it.


But this is your choice to make, we have no stake in what hardware you decide to purchase.
VDJ is coded to support as many good working options as possible to attract users to the software, not the other way around.
 
mp3jrick wrote :

At $299, ITS A STEAL!



Too right it is, I decided to go for it,

And I made that money in a Weekend.
 
Allow me clear, im not saying VDJ is not worth the cash, on the contrary, i think its worth a lot more than i paid for it, compared to the competition im ahead.

Rick, as you said, the hardware competition is very competitive, and think that Herc is benefiting more from VDJ than VDJ from Herc, due to the fact that VDJ will be compatible with practically every controller out there, its in their best interest to stcik with VDj, it is here where VDJ should have said ``what will you do for me and mine``.

Its just my opinion...
 
Its all how you look at it I guess.

Hercules is helping us by introducing new users to our software and it works.
They sell a controller and we get a "lead" that may in time turn into a sale to a pro upgrade.

Another thing that we do is offer to second hand users the opportunity to upgrade providing the serial hasn't been used for such.

So, we really do try to cultivate from these controller sales even if we don't make it up front.

On your original complaint, I see your point clearly, but you have to realize the software is limited and is designed to give users a "taste".
You shouldn't feel like you are being ripped off or someone else got a better deal, that isn't what is intended.

Also remember that if you decide to purchase and in the future sell, if you haven't registered that serial the new user will find that pretty attractive rather than just a control that needs a pro copy to even work.
He will also have that upgrade option available to him.

Think about it
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Honestly it almost feels like i ripped of Atomix. With the price they are GIVING this program away for i dont think no one should complain. I mean cmon u could of ended up getting Serato!!
 
I agree, but wouldnt you be happy if Herc would knock off 10, 20, 30 bucks just for being a Pro User? I would not be upset with that, and that is the whole point im trying to make, and who is better to negotiate this than the venture partners?

In short concice words: DOG Nammit Give Us Pro Users A Discount, We Fcuking Want IT!

LOL
 
we asked back in march/april this same question, didn't get it then and i doubt you will get it now, look at it this way you are only paying for the rmx and not the freebie that comes with it and your getting a decent controller for the price range it's in.
 
djrasza wrote :
In short concice words: DOG Nammit Give Us Pro Users A Discount, We Fcuking Want IT!


Have you even looked at what the 'limitations' are of the software that comes with the RMX? You might be surprised if on how limited it is if you have not ever seen it.


Also, have you ever tried to call Dell, ACER, HP, Gateway and tell them you want a discount on the computer because you want it without the Operating System -- the result is $0 off the price.

I have never understood why people try to make the argument that they are buying the software when it comes with a hardware component. It's the hardware that is being purchased and not the software. The software is a gift. It gives the hardware manufacture a 'marketing' tool. Would you buy a car with no engine? Well without software most controllers are just paper weights. So the manufacture chooses an engine (software) to put in with it. We are just fortunate to have a great friend in Hercules that has worked with us for a long time now.



 
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