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Everyone says Pioneer mixers own and Pioneer CD players are the best ever made. I disagree.

Example #1
1st of december. We were building up a quite big party. Light containing 4 Highend Studio Color 575 wash, 12 Robe 250XT spots, 2 Atomic 3000W strobes, 6 Highend Trackspots and 8 Showtek Sunstrip Blinders, controlled by Avolites table. Sound was 8 Stage Accompany XL Bins with 12 Stage Accompany C27 speakers, powered by 3 Powersoft amps, Minidrives on top of each amp. 2 DJ monitors powered by a Harrison amp. DJ Booth was 2x Pioneer CDJ1000mk3's, 2x Technics SL1210mk2, 1x Pioneer DJM-800.

It was a quite big party, and we were all done with everything, we just had to soundcheck. During that soundcheck we heard a slight hum in the speakers, something we can't allow - of course.
We checked everything. EVERYTHING. In the end, the DJM-800 was causing the hum. This was a brand new device and it was the only thing that didn't work. We lost over half an hour there, just because of that stupid DJM causing the hum. This wasn't the first time we had trouble with Pioneers...


Example #2
Some time ago. A smaller party with 2 guest DJ's, one of those 2 had a Pioneer DJM-600 and 2 CDJ-1000 on his technical specs. Okay, we build up. Smaller party with only 4 Robe 250XT's and some other stuff. As told before: we build everything up and start soundchecking. A very bad buzz on the speakers... After some trying we figured it out: if we disconnected one of the two CDJ-1000's, the buzzing stopped. Reconnecting = bad buzz again. Maybe it was the CDJ then. Connecting it to another input gave the same buzz. We replaced the mixtable by a Rodec MX180mk2 and the buzzing stopped. Conclusion: Pioneer again screwed up. Note that this was a completely different setup with different CDJ-1000's etc.


Example #3
Last example. For years, we have been doing one of the smaller tents on a festival called "Antilliaanse Feesten". The Salsa area with salsaDJ's. Building up, everything works perfect. Soundcheck... an annoying buzz... Now we don't normally use Pioneer mixtables, as they give lots of problems. Thing is one of the DJ's requested a Pioneer again. SO we had to solve that buzz again. We called our boss up and he came racing in with a REAL quality mixtable: an Ecler mac70v. We replaced the Pioneer and the buzz was GONE. We had a perfect night without any problems.


These are just 3 examples. Luckily we don't use pioneers too often, or i could have put 12 examples here. This is why i DISLIKE pioneer. Their products just don't measure up to -say- Ecler. These 3 examples were all with different devices. I have made my conclusions. Pioneer will never make it into my set, i choose Ecler above Pioneer every day. If i need CD players? I will slap myself because i will keep using vinyl.

End of rant

Discuss.

VanStino
 
Mensajes Wed 05 Dec 07 @ 11:16 am
I myself have never had any humm issues with Pioneer equipment but then again I live in North america where 90% of all venues have ground plugs as opposed to europe where there are only 2 prong cables and no ground.

I know Pioneer are pretty anal about making sure all the gear is grounded so maybe next time you use pioneer decks you should invest into some ground loop isolators to prevent the humm sound from occuring since you live in the european side of this world ;)

Best Regards

DJ White Devil
 
Simple Solution - switch to another manufacture and get over it.
 
get a TT5-ahem...ven. its reliable.
 
xgl_dj wrote :
Simple Solution - switch to another manufacture and get over it.


Many DJ's request a Pioneer mixtable or don't come at all.
 
I hear you on that one Vanstino, the simple reason for that is because that is what they are used to at any club or location they go to. although give those ground loop isolators a try and you might see better results from sound.
 
I work in UK where the norm is 3 pin plugs (with earth) and have never had a hum I could attribute to Pioneer gear. I've used CDJs and DJM 600s for a long time and they've been fine.

My experience with hum has been more often from the soundcard, especially the Maya 44 and that's why I always have ground loop isolators with me. Only about £7 each and worth their weight in gold. I've often found that problems of this sort come down do positioning of cables (especially phono leads) near to other equipment which induce the hum.

Some mixers might be better at handling this than others, but no probs with Pioneer in my experience.

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I totally agree about the bad hiss and humms with the pioneer boards. I bought the DJM-400 when they first came out and had a HORRID humm with the board. Nothing I tried could do anything about it. I ended up selling the board for a loss and bought a RANE Empath. Been happy with the Rane!
 
Pioneer mixer are the same shit like behringer only more expensive!!
soundquality is also very low.faders are not good finished.
 
These gigs are all without any PCDJ stuff, so no hum from soundcards.
 
maybe this is a stupid thought although have you tried to connect the mixer (DJM) to another mixer like a Mackie or Rane? this way you might be able to reduce the humm coming straight from the pioneer mixer
 
"Pioneer mixer are the same shit like behringer only more expensive!!
soundquality is also very low.faders are not good finished."

I love behringer powered speakers, I have 2 pair and they are cheap, but are you actually going to compare a behringer mixer to a pioneer? They are just trying to look like pioneer. I like behringer alot, I just won't buy a DJ mixer from them.
 
Pioneer shouldn't have a hum in the first place. :)

Anyways another thing i hate about Pioneers is that they have such a name that any young DJ with pioneers considers himself the best DJ in the world...
 
That I agree with you, I remember years ago I got a new Numark CDN-22S and I thought I was the SHit!!!!.
 
Personally I think Pioneer are very good, they are a bit over hyped, but generally I'm impressed with their products.
 
discotronic wrote :
Pioneer mixer are the same shit like behringer only more expensive!!
soundquality is also very low.faders are not good finished.

You just compared Pioneer and Behringer. You've got to be kidding. Sounds like someone had a bad experience but c'mon, Pioneer is solid Professional equipment.
 
I think you have made wrong connection, I'm using Pioneer for almost 10years and I don't have any problem. For me PIONEER IS THE BEST ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD for that price if want more expensive there are a lot in the market to choose. Best thing to do if you have a problem specially on hum/noise is to connect a ground to your player or mixer causes the hum. Remember as professional mobile DJ I've experience a lot. All electronic are having hum problems regardless of the brand. Some of the manufacturer were able to solve this problem by patching a ground wire internally. May I ask you a question why it causes a hum? there are many of reasons that causes a hum.

1). Electronic signal can cause a hum, so in other words placements of each equipement can create humming. Just try to re-arrange them.

2). Radio frequencies is another cause of humming, you must see to it that there's no radio signal that's running near on your setup. Although some of them are shielded but that is not enough and you must connect a ground wire to ground them.

3). Sometimes polarity issues, As an experience Engineer and Mobile DJ not all of the Electornics equipements are in the same polarity. Check your product manual for polarity compatability.

4). Power supply also is one of the cause of humming problem, check out your power supply. Low and High power supply can create the humming problem. At least your power supply must be at the right reading. Try to have a separate power supply to each equipment coming from the main circuit breaker.

5). Wire also can cause the hum. Use the high end wire that is sheilded. Sometimes connectors are not shielded very well and the positive is touching to the negative part.

There are many but these five above are the basic that you could follow in case you encounter this problem.

 
I am Using two pioneer cdjs and a pioneer mixer DJM 500. This thing rules. I never had any problems at all. behringer is a copy cat of pioneer. Anything pioneer makes in mixers, behringer tries to make the same design and size. If you want very good speakers and i mean good speakers. Check out carvin speakers.
 
We also use a huge amount of Pioneer gear, both for perm club installs and mobile gigs, never had a problem. I would however suggest they switch from using domestic RCA plugs to link CD's and Mixers, and change to pro Canons.
 
Pioneer it just got killd by DN-HS5500
 
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